Suspended car driving licence

alber697 · Derestricted Danger Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Karma :

Hi guys, my name is Alberto and i am spanish. A year ago my driving licence was suspended in spain because of driving my car a bit drunk (not proud of it and never doing itagain in my life Rolling Eyes

). I got suspended for 2 years, so next june i am getting my licence back.
The question is, now that i live and work in London can I apply for a provisional driving licence and do the theory test and cbt? even if i cant drive till june when i get my licence back. Just to go doing things quicker so in summer i can do the D.A.S.
Thank you very much for your help Smile

toerag · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 21 May 2015 Karma :

UK residents are sent applications to renew their licence 56 days before the end of the disqualification period.

You can apply for a provisional and maybe even do your theory test, but as above i don't think you will get much joy from the DVLA until 2 months before your ban expires.

Even if you did receive a licence, the start date would only be valid from the end date of the suspension.

You would have to wait until your ban is up before you'd be able to legally ride, and i'm guessing this would include your CBT as a portion of the training includes a section of riding on the road.

alber697 · Derestricted Danger Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Karma :

thanks for answering, no i wouldn´t ride until i get my licence back it would just be so when i get my licence back i can already start riding bikes rather than starting to do everything,so thats what i wanted to know, maybe i´ll email DVLA or call them, if not ill just wait till summer and save some money for my future bike meanwhile Rolling Eyes

ScaredyCat · World Chat Champion Joined: 19 May 2012 Karma :

Are you saying your Spanish driving license was suspended or your UK license was suspended while you were driving in Spain?

Does a driving ban in Spain (when using a Spainish license) prevent you from applying for a provisional, taking and passing your tests in the UK? Or Vice versa?
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alber697 · Derestricted Danger Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Karma :

my spanish licence was suspended. And that is what i want to know Laughing

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alber697 · Derestricted Danger Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Karma :

i've just emailed them, pretty sure the answer will be ´´not until suspension finishes´´, if i do get one, but worth a try....

stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

The correct answer is no you can't.

You should wait until you get your Spanish driving licence back then exchange it for a UK one and take it from there.

In reality, I wonder how joined-up the UK and Spanish authorities are. I know the UK ones are spectacularly incompetant at the best of times (took them 10 years and 12 licences to spell my surname correctly) so if the Spanish ones are similarly useless Thinking

I suspect there is a fairly high chance you'd get away with applying for a virgin UK licence from a UK address and carrying on as if nothing was amiss. Just be aware you would be committing several fairly serious offences if you were found out.
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Teflon-Mike · tl;dr Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Karma :

No such Thing as a 'Spanish' Driving Licence or a 'British' Driving Licence any more.. We are all European - We have British 'issued' European Driving Licence.

Next a Driving Licence is a Driving Licence. There is but one.

You have a driving licence - that licence then offers 'entitlement' for different classes of vehicle; entitlement that may be 'provisional', before you have passed a test for that group, or 'full' having passed tests for it.

OP you have been banned in Spain, you have been banned in all Europe.

You have had all licence 'privileges' suspended. You may not drive or ride a motorbike until your period of suspension has lapsed.

If you have moved to the UK and are now a resident here, you are obliged to get your European licence re-issued from the UK Issuing office, to reflect your UK residential address.

This does not give you a 'new' European Licence, it gives you the same European Licence you currently have 'suspended'; only thing that changes is the address, entitlement it offers that are currently 'suspended' remain suspended.

You have NO licence entitlements, in Spain, or here in the UK or the rest of Treaty Europe... full and provisional, suspension suspends them ALL.
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alber697 · Derestricted Danger Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Karma :

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/mutual_recognition_of_driving_disqualification/#a14

Why is there no mutual recognition of disqualifications with other EU Member States?

We agree in principle that cooperation over disqualifications between Member States other than with Ireland is desirable. Any EU Member State may wish to enter into similar arrangements with us in the future. At this stage we have no expectation of any other Member State doing this. If they did we would need further Regulations in the UK and, if changes in arrangements were contemplated, further public consultation would be needed. The arrangements with Ireland will provide us with practical experience in advance of possible future approaches from other Member States.

How does mutual recognition of driving disqualifications affect driving licence holders from other EEA Member States?

The mutual recognition arrangements apply to residents of Ireland and the UK, regardless of nationality or the origin of the driving licence. It is possible that persons normally resident in UK or Ireland may be licence holders of other EEA (i.e. any EU Member States or Norway, Liechtenstein or Iceland). Whilst such a licence holder would be disqualified from driving in UK or Ireland, this would not affect their right to drive elsewhere in the EEA. Sections 65 (4) (5) and (6) of CICA cover this situation.
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My english isn´t the best but of what i understand, I can drive in Uk and Ireland if i pass my licence here Rolling Eyes

still not sure lol

toerag · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 21 May 2015 Karma :

alber697 · Derestricted Danger Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Karma :

DVLA have emailed me back:

An applicant who is disqualified in Spain cannot obtain a full licence in exchange since a disqualification imposed in this country can be taken into account. Section 88(1B) of The Road Traffic Act 1988 as amended. If a Certificate/Letter of Entitlement is produced and this confirms that the licence is currently disqualified/revoked, it will not be accepted.

An application for a Provisional licence from a driver who has been disqualified in Spain should also be rejected unless the applicant was disqualified until a further test had been passed. In these limited circumstances a Provisional driving licence may be granted.

I hope this information is of assistance.

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So i suppose i will have to wait until my suspension in Spain finishes in june 2016 Sad

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toerag · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 21 May 2015 Karma :

@Albef697 Are you required to retake your licence test under the ban/suspension? Or would the Spanish authorities just be returning your licence?

If you are required to retake a test, then the DVLA might accept your provisional application, but because it's a drink/drive ban they need to check if you have previous and wether you are likely to re-offend.

If you are not required to take your test then, you would have to wait out your ban.

alber697 · Derestricted Danger Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Karma :

the 26th of june they give me my spanish licence back without any tests, I just have to go there and pick it up in court

alber697 · Derestricted Danger Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Karma :

So i still dont know if i can or i can´t, oh well, guess i´ll wait

toerag · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 21 May 2015 Karma :

You'll just have to wait until your suspension runs out.

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alber697 · Derestricted Danger Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Karma :

Well i have just applied for a provisional licence:::::

Your DVLA Application
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[email protected]

Thank you for submitting your driving licence application online.

Your payment has been accepted but in order for DVLA to complete your application, it requires you to do one more thing.

You must send some information to DVLA.

You will receive an application completion form in the post - please allow 1 week for delivery. Please complete this form and return it to DVLA so that your driving licence application can be submitted for validation checks.

Your driving licence is an official document and all applications are subject to DVLA's identity checking system.

Once DVLA has received your form it will be able to carry out the necessary checks and deal with your application as soon as possible.

Please print this page, and/or make a note of the application reference number and Government Gateway User ID listed below, in case you have a query. You can use your User ID and password to log on and check the progress of your application.
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and in the process they ask me if i am disqualified in uk or any other EU country, and i say yes, Spain...
So not doing anything illegal, i have answered everything correctly.
and they have charged me the 34 pounds...

Teflon-Mike · tl;dr Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Karma :

This illustrates the difference between 'Possible' and 'Legal'
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Pete. · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Karma :

well fair play to you for attempting it with your full name and email on public view. If they can't catch you out now they really don't deserve to catch you out at all Very Happy

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