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Error 650
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Bike tyre Reply with quote

Hello, I have a CBR 600 with an nearly new rear tyre, coming home from work tonight I hit a brick in the road. The rear tyre on my '89 CBR has a nick in the side wall. It's about the size of a thumb nail. Can I glue the tyre? it's an Avon Azaro 140 80 17. Bought new 2 months ago, less than 500 miles in and I'm hoping it's not scrap.

Thanks Jason.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrGs1 wrote:
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i second that
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:34 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sod that. It'd be in the bin for me.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strictly speaking, with a damaged sidewall it's fooked and should be replaced.
Glue will only have a cosmetic effect.

If you decide to risk it and get your moneys worth out of it you wouldn't be the first to do so, but it's up to you.
Don't confuse glueing a flap down with a repair though.

It may be fine until the tread wears down, who knows?

Edit:
Just seen the pics and it's worse than I imagined
owwww!
BIN IT!
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

replace it !!!!
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That tyre is fucked, when it comes to tyres there's no point risking your arse to save a quid.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, that's fucked.

But seeing the crazing going on with the rubber on the sidewall, 'nearly new' is a term I would call into question.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cracks in the sidewall suggest the tyre is less than nearly new. Unless it's a second hand tyre someone said was new.

It's scrap anyway and a definite 3 points if the police see it or stop you for anything else.

A tyre will cost about £100 or take the possible points and insurance hassle (through totting up). Two or three increased premiums will cost the same as a new tyre.

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PostPosted: 22:32 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdg wrote:


But seeing the crazing going on with the rubber on the sidewall, 'nearly new' is a term I would call into question.


I was thinking the same, you can see it in the tread too, surely cant be 2 months old unless its been ran around on really low pressure, even then.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ps

Tyre fooked. Thumbs Down
Pics decent quality for purpose. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the date code on the tyre?
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, that is beyond repair. You can even see the foreign object cut through the sidewall's kevlar fibers. Also, the tyre in your picture looks very old, I mean all the cracks in the rubber. Thumbs Down

Here's what I've managed, after running over a brick at 80kph, I was just overtaking a lorry, so when I saw it I had no time to react, I managed to avoid direct impact but couldn't completely avoid it. I consider this to be still alright to ride.

https://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae184/RhynoCZ/ZX7R/DSC_2534_zpss4fwggow.jpg
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 22 Dec 2015    Post subject: Re: Bike tyre Reply with quote

Jsmith86 wrote:
it's an Avon
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I'm hoping it's not scrap.

Afraid it is.

However, luckily you don't need to worry about the massive gash in the side of it!

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PostPosted: 03:52 - 22 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
OP, that is beyond repair. You can even see the foreign object cut through the sidewall's kevlar fibers. Also, the tyre in your picture looks very old, I mean all the cracks in the rubber. Thumbs Down

Here's what I've managed, after running over a brick at 80kph, I was just overtaking a lorry, so when I saw it I had no time to react, I managed to avoid direct impact but couldn't completely avoid it. I consider this to be still alright to ride.

https://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae184/RhynoCZ/ZX7R/DSC_2534_zpss4fwggow.jpg


The problem with tyre damage is that it is impossible to open the tyre up to look inside. So based on history of tyre failures the recommended action is replace. Even that tyre is a fail. Unless you just want to run it off road. Sad
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 22 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdg wrote:
What's the date code on the tyre?

Yup, I'd be well suspicious that's a "new" tyre.

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PostPosted: 11:27 - 22 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all your help. A local bike shop has a part worn 'Pirelli Match tyre'? he can fit for £50 if I ride the bike to him. Does that seem a good deal? he says it's the same sort of tyre as a BT45.

Is £50 expensive for a fitted tyre albeit a part worn? he says there are no cracks on the side wall and there is 4mm tread. This tyre he wants to sell me has had a puncture repair on it. He will fit it to the rim for £35 but I wouldn't know how to get the wheel off.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 22 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Like a BT45" doesn't sound much better than an Avon! However, that's not a bad price for a big-name part worn tyre fitted 'ride in'.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 22 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, it might be a go-er then. I can get a part worn delivered off the internet for £27 but then it's fitting it. Also as stated the bike tyre from the shop has had a repair on it.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 22 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
"Like a BT45" doesn't sound much better than an Avon! However, that's not a bad price for a big-name part worn tyre fitted 'ride in'.


Why so down on Avons? The Storms I fitted to my busa were absolutely brilliant for grip and wear compared with the OEM Bridgstones.
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 22 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part worn with a repair for £50, no thanks.

I had side wall damage on the front tyre of the Bandit. Took the wheel down to the local bike place (I know you can't get the wheel off) and got a part worn fitted & balanced for £15.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 22 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others have said, you can clearly see damage to the carcass of the tyre. Would you fancy that blowing out on you at speed?
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 22 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
The problem with tyre damage is that it is impossible to open the tyre up to look inside. So based on history of tyre failures the recommended action is replace. Even that tyre is a fail. Unless you just want to run it off road. Sad


Even a brand new thing and/or certified as OK can fail. I mean, one of the Dunlops lost his rear wheel on the Iom, in a perfectly alright corner. Does that happen quite often? No, it does not, yet it happened.

You can never be certain of anything. You only can evaluate the risks and decide whether you feel safe enough or not. The key is to always make a informed decisions, knowing the risks and hazards. For instance, I know how far can I push my motorcycle to still feel safe on it, also what surface has what properties, where to expect oil/diesel/gravel/mud on the road and so on. Things so obvious, that you then can't believe those people in the ''fail compilation'' videos, that would grab the front brake in the worst possible moment and condition or just go straight through the corner into the ditch, blaming it on a fictitious problem of target fixation. I even met people scared of using the front brake of a motorcycle.

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PostPosted: 12:12 - 22 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, that tyre has had it. Looking on the bright side it looked a bit knackered and perished anyway, so the brick may have done you a favour!

I too am curious to see what the date code is.

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And that pound coin looks like a fake, too. Wink
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