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PostPosted: 11:53 - 06 Jan 2016    Post subject: Making a Murderer Reply with quote

Has anyone watched this on Netflix?

It's a 10 part true crime documentary. Needless to say since it's release it's caused quite a stir.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_a_Murderer

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Making a Murderer details the life of Steven Avery, a Wisconsin man who served 18 years after being convicted of the sexual assault of Penny Beerntsen, and other charges pertaining to a separate conflict with his cousin. DNA analysis later linked the assault to another man guilty of other crimes in Manitowoc County. As a result of the DNA analysis, Avery was released. After his release, he filed a $36 million lawsuit against Manitowoc County and several county officials associated with his first arrest. Soon after filing the lawsuit, Avery was accused of the murder of Teresa Halbach, a photographer who was last seen on the Avery family property to photograph a minivan.

Making a Murderer illustrates the procedures in the Manitowoc County sheriff's department that led to both Avery's original conviction and a second conviction, after his release, of the murder. Brendan Dassey, Avery's nephew, was also accused in the murder investigation, and the show depicts his trial as well.



The mrs and I ended up watching it over 2 days. So many WTF's and holy shit moments.

Well worth watching if you're into that kind of thing.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 06 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watching now, part 8.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 06 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If all is as portrayed in that the major WTF.
Am barely half way through and am really wondering how half of this has managed to take place and heads haven't rolled yet?!

This is a bit of a worrying eye opener here as well...
Could be happening over here and little chance we'd find out in the end...

The mind boggles. It is however really interesting to see those involved in stitching him up on the rape charge first time round, squirming and bricking it through interviews! BarStools.. the lott'a'em.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 06 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

seen some media interest in this
but apparently the prosecutors are saying Netflix has left a lot of evidence out of the show


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In a previous statement to ABC News, he alleged important evidence was left out of the series, like how Avery called the victim's job to specifically request her the day she died, and that he called her phone three times, twice using the *67 feature to hide his identity.

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PostPosted: 20:43 - 06 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

On episode 5, been reading articles in between the episodes to like this one - clicky. Unsure if he did it or not, I'm kind of sitting on the fence. What's everyone else's opinions... Did he kill Teresa Halbach?
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 07 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooo, sounds like time for some serious Netflix and chilling - without the chilling Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 07 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given that he was convicted using the same sort of DNA evidence that eventually exonerated him in the first case, I'd say there's not really much parallel between the cases.

Az wrote:
Did he kill Teresa Halbach?

It looks to be clear enough that he did it or was intimately complicit in it.

Whether this was because he was so mind-fucked by his lengthy and unjust incarceration is an interesting issue. But taken in the round it rather looks like he is and always was just a violent inbred hick from a sprawling family of violent inbred hicks, so even if he didn't actually pull the trigger, it's no huge loss for him to be tucked safely away again.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 07 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Given that he was convicted using the same sort of DNA evidence that eventually exonerated him in the first case, I'd say there's not really much parallel between the cases.

Az wrote:
Did he kill Teresa Halbach?

It looks to be clear enough that he did it or was intimately complicit in it.

Whether this was because he was so mind-fucked by his lengthy and unjust incarceration is an interesting issue. But taken in the round it rather looks like he is and always was just a violent inbred hick from a sprawling family of violent inbred hicks, so even if he didn't actually pull the trigger, it's no huge loss for him to be tucked safely away again.


I totally agree with the bottom half of you post Rog.

I'm unsure if he killed her, as mentioned above there is most definitely evidence that wasn't shown in the documentary. But from how he was perceived in the doc, it does show a bias towards him being innocent.

Worse bit is was his nephew being incarcerated. Taking advantage of a teenager with severe learning difficulties and with so many discrepancies in his story how can he have been convicted by confessing to his (supposed) crimes?

Think the police just have it in for them.

Enjoyed it nonetheless. Another good one if you like MAM, is The Jinx. That is GOOD.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 07 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

These sorts of true crime shows fascinate me, so I will definitely be adding this to my list of things to watch. I'm currently listening to the first series of Serial which is somewhat unnerving. Well worth a listen if you haven't already Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 07 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

waffles wrote:
These sorts of true crime shows fascinate me, so I will definitely be adding this to my list of things to watch. I'm currently listening to the first series of Serial which is somewhat unnerving. Well worth a listen if you haven't already Thumbs Up


I've tried listening while working, but nothing sinks in. Maybe on my next long drive I'll give that a go.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 09 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

waffles wrote:
These sorts of true crime shows fascinate me, so I will definitely be adding this to my list of things to watch. I'm currently listening to the first series of Serial which is somewhat unnerving. Well worth a listen if you haven't already Thumbs Up


Brilliant series!

Several things stand out to me about the Avery case:

1) Why would anyone, knowing they are due to receive a large portion of cash from the state, decide this would be a perfect time to kill someone?

2) So apparently this guy is smart enough to clean up the scene of the crime in two locations so that no DNA evidence whatsoever is found, not a trace of blood, of which from stab wounds, throat cutting and shots to the head, those places should look like an abattoir, taking into consideration all the shit in his garage as well. He can clean that up to the level of an expert forensic scientist..... and then leaves the car parked in plain view and pops the keys on his bedside table?

3) I'd want to speak to an expert on the logistics of burning a corpse to the bone in a backyard BBQ - I'm pretty sure that takes some hours at high temperatures in a crematorium oven, I'm not convinced it could be done to the same degree using a few car tires.

4) They said the finding of the key they thought to be significant - the guys got 5000 cars on his land, why would any one key be a surprise?

5) The fact that they can interrogate a medically retarded person without their lawyer present, obtain a confession on this basis, and then have it as admissible in court blows my mind. This probably wasn't helped by the fact his mom appeared to be fucking stupid as well (didn't know what "inconsistent" meant).

6) I don't think an innocent person would put up that much of an effort for so long, because towards the end it's describing how he's appealing left right and centre to various places and basically they are all telling him he's fucked. I can't see a guilty person putting up that much of a fight before thinking they haven't got a hope in hell and just accepting their fate. Then again, I suppose he's got a pretty free diary for the next few years so gives him something to occupy himself with.

Overall, the police, judges, fuck even some of the lawyers, were all corrupt as fuck. I definitely think they planted the evidence. Did Avery do it? Based on the documentary alone, I would say no. And neither did his retarded nephew.

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PostPosted: 12:59 - 09 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:

2) So apparently this guy is smart enough to clean up the scene of the crime in two locations so that no DNA evidence whatsoever is found, not a trace of blood, of which from stab wounds, throat cutting and shots to the head, those places should look like an abattoir, taking into consideration all the shit in his garage as well. He can clean that up to the level of an expert forensic scientist..... and then leaves the car parked in plain view and pops the keys on his bedside table?


We started watching it last night, upto ep6.

The above popped into our heads.
You have a bunch of people which are not the smartest people in the world, but they know how to clean an entire room to remove any trace of blood after slicing a womans throat?


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PostPosted: 13:42 - 09 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly, all they gotta do is spray some luminol and they could have a fucking rave in there it'd glow that much.

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PostPosted: 20:54 - 09 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

paddywinz wrote:
waffles wrote:
These sorts of true crime shows fascinate me, so I will definitely be adding this to my list of things to watch. I'm currently listening to the first series of Serial which is somewhat unnerving. Well worth a listen if you haven't already Thumbs Up


I've tried listening while working, but nothing sinks in. Maybe on my next long drive I'll give that a go.


Try it again, I have just finished the first series and started the second. Maybe give that one a go? Its very different to the first but presented in the same style, it follows the story of a soldier who abandoned his post and was captured by the Taliban for 5 years. Its currently up to episode 4.

However I started Making a Murderer. So. Good. I want to binge watch it all night, I'm hooked.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 09 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

He sounds like a bumbaclert
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm struggling to get to the end of episode 1.
We both fell asleep halfway through.

Does it get more exciting?

I have to presume so, seeing what you're discussing in future episodes.
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I'm struggling to get to the end of episode 1.
We both fell asleep halfway through.

Does it get more exciting?

I have to presume so, seeing what you're discussing in future episodes.


Yes, episode 1 is important for laying the foundation of who he is, what he's done in the past, and provides the context for what is to come.

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PostPosted: 20:13 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
Does it get more exciting?


The end of episode 1, the last comment (I think) sets up the murder and episode 2 onwards picks up a lot in terms of evidence provided and whodunit. Was he framed or did he actually kill her?

I'm now on episode 4. Deffo a good watch once you get past all of the background and contextual stuffs Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fell asleep during episode 2 as well Laughing

But yeah, things are looking up, aren't they.
What an odd case.

Am at the end of episode 3 now.
Managed to stay awake once I got the gist of what was going on again.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen 8 episodes now. I don't understand the lack of blood - surely if he killed her anywhere on her property, there'd be wholesale traces of blood all over the scene?

I'm interested to hear what the "missed out" parts are, I'm not sure whether to look now or after episode 10. He almost seems likable, rather unassuming and dopey. Obviously that's what the makers aimed for, though.
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedPanda wrote:
I don't understand the lack of blood - surely if he killed her anywhere on her property, there'd be wholesale traces of blood all over the scene?

Perhaps he's a vampire?

Sorry... vampire-American.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the end of episode 8 during the trial summaries,
in response to his defense stating their story line was impossible as there was no trace of the victims blood anywhere on the Premises aside traces on a 22 bullet in the garage, Kratz then changes his story at the last minute saying that she was shot and killed outside the premises and was not killed in his trailer/garage (which he had banged on about trough the whole trial).
The absolutely outrageous, ridiculous aspect I cannot even begin to get my head around is:

*Spoiler alert*
All 3 counts from Brendons *confession* are struck from Stevens trail, Kratz abandons the "murdered in the trailer" theory and in essence Steven is tried and convicted of murdering her and yet Brendon is still convicted and jailed for a *confession* of participating in a murder that someone has already been tried and convicted for which never could have happened in the way the confession suggested?!

I'm on episode 8 and am sure there is more about this very topic in he next one but right now I feel much rage... Heads should roll!!!
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:

and then leaves the car parked in plain view and pops the keys on his bedside table?


Yeah this was silly, didn't they have a crusher on site? If so, then surely they would just cube the car. And the whole thing about the car being covered in branches and scraps of wriggly-tin sheet is silly too, if you wanted to hide it you'd just bury it under other scrap cars or cube it
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I the only one to think it out of order for the reporter to continue to interview him about when the girl was on his property? (somewhere in the middle of episode 3, I think, when the girl was first discovered to be missing and that he was the last person to see her)

As soon as he said something along the lines of "the police then asked me if they could come in and have a look around my house", should that not have been the point when the interview was shut down?

Would it not interfere with police procedure?

(if indeed such a thing were even relevant; in this instance, police procedure mainly seemed to involve putting keys, cars and a burnt body into ridiculously obvious places Rolling Eyes )
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