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 Posted: 11:53 - 06 Jan 2016 Post subject: Making a Murderer |
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Has anyone watched this on Netflix?
It's a 10 part true crime documentary. Needless to say since it's release it's caused quite a stir.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_a_Murderer
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| Code: | Making a Murderer details the life of Steven Avery, a Wisconsin man who served 18 years after being convicted of the sexual assault of Penny Beerntsen, and other charges pertaining to a separate conflict with his cousin. DNA analysis later linked the assault to another man guilty of other crimes in Manitowoc County. As a result of the DNA analysis, Avery was released. After his release, he filed a $36 million lawsuit against Manitowoc County and several county officials associated with his first arrest. Soon after filing the lawsuit, Avery was accused of the murder of Teresa Halbach, a photographer who was last seen on the Avery family property to photograph a minivan.
Making a Murderer illustrates the procedures in the Manitowoc County sheriff's department that led to both Avery's original conviction and a second conviction, after his release, of the murder. Brendan Dassey, Avery's nephew, was also accused in the murder investigation, and the show depicts his trial as well. |
The mrs and I ended up watching it over 2 days. So many WTF's and holy shit moments.
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Watching now, part 8. ____________________ Current : MSX 125 Past : CBR 900RR Monkeybike : c50 LAC : ZXR750 H2 : FZR600 : ZX7R P3 : YW100 : TRX850: Trophy 900 T309 : GSXR 600 L0: Monkeybike : XJ6S Whosthedaddy |
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If all is as portrayed in that the major WTF.
Am barely half way through and am really wondering how half of this has managed to take place and heads haven't rolled yet?!
This is a bit of a worrying eye opener here as well...
Could be happening over here and little chance we'd find out in the end...
The mind boggles. It is however really interesting to see those involved in stitching him up on the rape charge first time round, squirming and bricking it through interviews! BarStools.. the lott'a'em. |
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On episode 5, been reading articles in between the episodes to like this one - clicky. Unsure if he did it or not, I'm kind of sitting on the fence. What's everyone else's opinions... Did he kill Teresa Halbach? |
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Oooo, sounds like time for some serious Netflix and chilling - without the chilling  ____________________ Not nearly as interesting in real life. |
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These sorts of true crime shows fascinate me, so I will definitely be adding this to my list of things to watch. I'm currently listening to the first series of Serial which is somewhat unnerving. Well worth a listen if you haven't already  ____________________ Theory test - 19/8/09, CBT - 11/10/09, MOD 1 - 16/8/10, MOD 2 - 27/10/10
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| waffles wrote: | These sorts of true crime shows fascinate me, so I will definitely be adding this to my list of things to watch. I'm currently listening to the first series of Serial which is somewhat unnerving. Well worth a listen if you haven't already  |
Brilliant series!
Several things stand out to me about the Avery case:
1) Why would anyone, knowing they are due to receive a large portion of cash from the state, decide this would be a perfect time to kill someone?
2) So apparently this guy is smart enough to clean up the scene of the crime in two locations so that no DNA evidence whatsoever is found, not a trace of blood, of which from stab wounds, throat cutting and shots to the head, those places should look like an abattoir, taking into consideration all the shit in his garage as well. He can clean that up to the level of an expert forensic scientist..... and then leaves the car parked in plain view and pops the keys on his bedside table?
3) I'd want to speak to an expert on the logistics of burning a corpse to the bone in a backyard BBQ - I'm pretty sure that takes some hours at high temperatures in a crematorium oven, I'm not convinced it could be done to the same degree using a few car tires.
4) They said the finding of the key they thought to be significant - the guys got 5000 cars on his land, why would any one key be a surprise?
5) The fact that they can interrogate a medically retarded person without their lawyer present, obtain a confession on this basis, and then have it as admissible in court blows my mind. This probably wasn't helped by the fact his mom appeared to be fucking stupid as well (didn't know what "inconsistent" meant).
6) I don't think an innocent person would put up that much of an effort for so long, because towards the end it's describing how he's appealing left right and centre to various places and basically they are all telling him he's fucked. I can't see a guilty person putting up that much of a fight before thinking they haven't got a hope in hell and just accepting their fate. Then again, I suppose he's got a pretty free diary for the next few years so gives him something to occupy himself with.
Overall, the police, judges, fuck even some of the lawyers, were all corrupt as fuck. I definitely think they planted the evidence. Did Avery do it? Based on the documentary alone, I would say no. And neither did his retarded nephew.
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| paddywinz wrote: | | waffles wrote: | These sorts of true crime shows fascinate me, so I will definitely be adding this to my list of things to watch. I'm currently listening to the first series of Serial which is somewhat unnerving. Well worth a listen if you haven't already  |
I've tried listening while working, but nothing sinks in. Maybe on my next long drive I'll give that a go. |
Try it again, I have just finished the first series and started the second. Maybe give that one a go? Its very different to the first but presented in the same style, it follows the story of a soldier who abandoned his post and was captured by the Taliban for 5 years. Its currently up to episode 4.
However I started Making a Murderer. So. Good. I want to binge watch it all night, I'm hooked. ____________________ Theory test - 19/8/09, CBT - 11/10/09, MOD 1 - 16/8/10, MOD 2 - 27/10/10
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| hellkat wrote: | I'm struggling to get to the end of episode 1.
We both fell asleep halfway through.
Does it get more exciting?
I have to presume so, seeing what you're discussing in future episodes. |
Yes, episode 1 is important for laying the foundation of who he is, what he's done in the past, and provides the context for what is to come.
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Fell asleep during episode 2 as well
But yeah, things are looking up, aren't they.
What an odd case.
Am at the end of episode 3 now.
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Am I the only one to think it out of order for the reporter to continue to interview him about when the girl was on his property? (somewhere in the middle of episode 3, I think, when the girl was first discovered to be missing and that he was the last person to see her)
As soon as he said something along the lines of "the police then asked me if they could come in and have a look around my house", should that not have been the point when the interview was shut down?
Would it not interfere with police procedure?
(if indeed such a thing were even relevant; in this instance, police procedure mainly seemed to involve putting keys, cars and a burnt body into ridiculously obvious places ) ____________________ Not nearly as interesting in real life. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 11 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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