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PostPosted: 12:35 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Which Would You Have? And what to look for on 2011 Striple R Reply with quote

2011 Street Triple R, or a 2008 Daytona that has been converted to a Street Triple; in other words, bar conversion, twin round headlamps etc.

Let's assume the conversion has been done well, the Daytona engine is standard spec, condition of both bikes very good, ignore mileage for now.

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PostPosted: 12:40 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stripple, why would you want a conversion when you could just have the real thing?.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

finniee wrote:
Stripple, why would you want a conversion when you could just have the real thing?.


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PostPosted: 12:49 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably the Stripple R because despite the bar conversion the Daytona (I think) will still have a more cramped position due to the peg placement.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Which Would You Have? Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
2011 Street Triple R, or a 2008 Daytona that has been converted to a Street Triple; in other words, bar conversion, twin round headlamps etc.

Let's assume the conversion has been done well, the Daytona engine is standard spec, condition of both bikes very good, ignore mileage for now.

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Is there pics of the Daytona?
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
Probably the Stripple R because despite the bar conversion the Daytona (I think) will still have a more cramped position due to the peg placement.


Daytona has adjustable rearsets.
Also, wavy discs and other bits.
Am told it was built at the Triumph factory, don't have confirmation of this yet, but as said, let's assume it has been done well. Hopefully will get to see it and find out more on Wednesday.

Would 2008 Daytona suspension be any better than that of a 2011 Striple?
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Which Would You Have? Reply with quote

finniee wrote:


Is there pics of the Daytona?


No pics for you yet, I want more fundamental questions answered first. Bike has all the Daytona bodywork other than fairings, has the little Striple fly screen.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see why you're tempted by the Daytona, but I'd still have the Striple, I'd imagine that insuring a factory special might be a bit difficult for a start, plus resale will have people asking all the same questions you are.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
I can see why you're tempted by the Daytona, but I'd still have the Striple, I'd imagine that insuring a factory special might be a bit difficult for a start, plus resale will have people asking all the same questions you are.


I would have thought that IF it is factory built, it would make insuring easier (if any difference) than a home-built special?

Resale value is something I would consider to a degree, but depends on other factors too. Just looking to see what folks think of the two bikes in general comparison first. If I come to the conclusion that the Daytona is worth serious consideration, then I'll pay more attention to other factors before making a decision.

Let me throw one more criteria into the mix. Consider that you are unable to ride bikes with clip-on style/position bars.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Consider that you are unable to ride bikes with clip-on style/position bars.


Doing Pikes Peak, are we? Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
I would have thought that IF it is factory built

It's still not a stock model though, it's a modified bike.

You might be able to insure it (honestly) for about the same, you might not, but you'll either have to waste time calling around or ride dirty.

Are you considering it purely for the extra numbers in the engine?

Mmm, maybe a fair point. Complete 100% internets FACT (2013 sauce):

https://www.999cc.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Street-Triple-vs-Daytona-675-dyno.jpg

I'd still not value it any more than the honest Striple though, and perhaps a bit less.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

2011 genuine bike versus 2008 lash up?

Go genuine every time. You won't miss the 20bhp at the top end, and if you do just fit Daytona cams and get the engine remapped.

To choose a lashed up streetfighter versus a genuine factory bike is crazy unless the cost is night and day different.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Are you considering it purely for the extra numbers in the engine?



Not entirely. The original idea is to try a Street Triple (sorting a test ride, waiting for a call back). I want to do this because they get so much praise that I just feel the need to try one. Triple engine intrigues me. Don't want another litre bike right now, the Fazer is enough in that regard for the moment - it's a keeper.

I also want to try something more sporty and more modern than the Fazer, but can't ride any bike with clip-ons. So it occurred to me that this Daytona might kill several birds with one stone. Which is perhaps what I'm trying to find out here. Later on, a converted R1, ZX10R, GSXR etc might be in my sights, as is a big v-twin, but that's for the future. The Striple itch needs scratching, but wondering if this Daytona might be an acceptable, and perhaps better (handling, performance) bet.

Both fall within my budget. Not sure how much resale value will influence me yet. I don't think it is a major worry for me. Certainly I agree that the Daytona here would be harder to re-sell than the stock Striple. If it was a much better bike though, I might be able to forgive it that. But I might prefer the Striple if the Daytona is really peaky, will the triple configuration off-set that a bit etc....

I think what I really need is feedback from anyone who has ridden both the Striple and Daytona, and perhaps also the differences in ability of each from year to year (not asking much, am I Rolling Eyes ). Not guaranteed to get a test ride on this Daytona. But if others have valid comments to make, it might be helpful too.

Just want to try a few different bikes really Smile
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Would 2008 Daytona suspension be any better than that of a 2011 Striple?


Striple R had different suspension to the standard model. Shorter fully adjustable USD forks and a longer piggyback rear shock, both made by Kayaba. In practice probably the same as the Daytona. Consider though, the longer rear shock and shorter front pitches you forward more onto the bars with the higher seat.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have fun on the test ride Thumbs Up

My 2 hour test ride has ensured a purchase of my own Striple R this year. Yeah, there are faster bikes,
but for a forty something like me and one that is relatively inexperienced, it ticks all my boxes.
I don't want to tour or commute. I just want a fun bike to hoon around on when it's a sunny afternoon.
Really looking forward to the springtime.
Do report back on your test ride. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sunny Sundays is more what the Striple will be about for me. But also, I think it will suit some of the roads around here better than the big, heavy Fazer.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neither, I have ridden both and they are a little too tall for me.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Neither, I have ridden both and they are a little too tall for me.
Yeah, but we'd have to put another pinkyfloyd on your shoulders to reach the same height as chickenstrip, so I can't imagine it's a problem he'll have.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
2011 genuine bike versus 2008 lash up?

Go genuine every time. You won't miss the 20bhp at the top end, and if you do just fit Daytona cams and get the engine remapped.

To choose a lashed up streetfighter versus a genuine factory bike is crazy unless the cost is night and day different.


I do take your point. But consider that you want to experience modern sports bike handling and performance, but can't use clip-on bars. Consider also that you might not be the world's best twirler of spanners (understatement in my case Laughing ) and not sure if you want to tackle doing a conversion yourself to anything. But then, once I get the bigger shed I'm looking into installed, maybe I'll get a bit more involved.

I might miss the extra ponies in comparison to the Fazer, probably something I need to find out for myself. I am looking forward to trying something a bit more nimble than the Fazer.

My gut instinct is to avoid the Daytona, but not 100% decided yet. I actually think it is over-priced, because it is a conversion, despite being within my budget. But sooner or later, I think I'm going to be looking at a converted sports bike.

Test ride on the Street Triple is now confirmed Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:
Neither, I have ridden both and they are a little too tall for me.
Yeah, but we'd have to put another pinkyfloyd on your shoulders to reach the same height as chickenstrip, so I can't imagine it's a problem he'll have.


Laughing

My original concern was that they are so tiny! But then, had a sit on one and thought it wasn't bad. It won't be for distance work anyway, and I like to have plenty of breaks on a ride....er, rest stops Whistle
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I'm here, were there any recalls on the 2011 Street Triple R? Anything else I need to look out for? Bike is on about 14k miles, so I know it should have had valve clearance checks at 12. Anything else? Ta.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the old triples could be stolen by a toddler with a spoon?

Dunno how much you're looking to spend, but MT-09's are going for around the same money.

Eg: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2014-Yamaha-MT-09-/131640414743?hash=item1ea6615217%3Ag%3AC6cAAOSwhcJWMlBs&nma=true&si=M9eOCnb6VL%252FiqDCTFpASQWhfIrU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

& cheap for a dealer: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-MT09-/381416779631?hash=item58ce362f6f%3Ag%3Am-YAAOSwVL1WBW-6&nma=true&si=M9eOCnb6VL%252FiqDCTFpASQWhfIrU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Striple itch. Must be scratched. If I were in the market for an MT09, I'd probably be looking at the Tracer. And that might be to finally replace the Fazer. Which I'm not ready for yet. Plus, I don't want to be throwing loadsa dosh at suspension upgrades on another bike right now.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, I think the MT-09's suspension just needs a few tweaks (from what I've read). Leaves more on the market for me Cool
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:


Test ride on the Street Triple is now confirmed Very Happy
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