Love him or hate him?

[robs321]

He does have a point!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/R5lXYw1l8l0?rel=0&autoplay=1

[Ste]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, heard it all before.

I think the big question that is on everyone's minds is what effect will the referendum have on the price of bitcoin.

[hellkat]

Corrected that for you.

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

I hate to say it but Farage was correct.

Will UKIP disband if Britain gets a referendum and votes out?

I keep hearing about how poor ol' outsider Norway has to pay to trade with the EU so we should be happy to be in the club. But in that case why isn't Norway clamouring to join?

[hellkat]

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[Omega]

Hate him just like every other politician. All in it for themselves.

My biggest political peeve right now is that David Cameron is going on about allowing his party to vote whichever way they choose on the EU stuff. I don't see how they can represent their constituency while being lead on the important issues by someone I didn't have a chance to vote for.

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It was worth watching just to see Merkel doing her best bulldog chewing a wasp impression. I'd much rather have Farage fighting our corner in the EU than Corbyn and would personally like to see us out before all these German "Syrian" migrants get given full on EU passports and can all head to the UK to rape and pillage. (A bit, but not entirely tongue in cheek).

I've noticed Cameron has rebranded the EU and now only refers to it as the "reformed EU". What did he negotiate in this reformation then? Or is his recent "threat" of a referendum, just to fire a shot across the bow to Merkel to let him renegotiate a few tiny pointless points?
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[winz]

Hate him. Do I win a prize?
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[RhynoCZ]

Funny figure, populist, all about what the problem is, not enough of what the solutions could be.

Everyone can do that, pointing a finger is easy.

Side note: It sure will be interesting to watch a member country leave the EU. I mean, I can't re-call the last time a member country left such a organisation. In fact, the EU is a completely new thing, there was nothing like it before.

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[RhynoCZ]

[Omega]

How does being a part of the EU help business? If for example Cadbury sell £10 million worth of chocolate per year to Germany's version of Tesco, what would change if we left the EU? Would someone tell Cadbury that they can't sell to German Tesco any more?

[Ste]

If we leave the EU then nothing much will change, trade will continue, life will go on.

If we don't leave the EU then nothing much will change, trade will continue, life will go on.

How Scotchland and the SNP react is moar interesting than whether we do or don't leave the EU.

https://i.imgur.com/NxnVtF4.jpg

Who knows what 2016 will bring! Donald Trump... Germany have a million migrants living in camps... Iraq, Syria, ISIS, Iran, etc etc and then there's Russia.

For the year ahead, I recommend using the 2016 Putin Calendar.

https://i.imgur.com/Lc3gBp4.jpg

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[dan_flash]

Meh. It probably makes sense for the UK to leave. Be a bit messy for Ireland perhaps, but meh - you aren't really that European by comparison.

You drive on the left, use MPH, use imperial measurements, have an odd internal political system with regards to the constituent countries, you (along with Denmark) negotiated a weird opt-out from the little blue strip that is compulsory on other EU-registered vehicles' number plates, you (along with Ireland) are not Schengen, and so on and so on.
So meh. It probably makes sense for Britain to leave.

For me personally, the EU has made moving / living / working in different member states really easy so far. Alls I've needed to do is learn languages, the rest has been really pain-free and straight forward because of the common laws and lack of papers needed and customs and so on and so on. So I would say the EU is cool, albeit frustrating and broken.

These next few years will certainly be interesting however. Britain will vote to leave. Austria will vote to leave and become fucking Switzerland v 2.0. Poland's anti-EU folk are getting louder, which is baffling given that they're a money-sink for EU funds and that half of their population work in other EU states and that their total non-Polish population percentage is probably like 0.002%, Hungary and Slovenia are building fences, Greece is still fucked yet continues to spend money on ships for the purpose of waving its' dick at Turkey, Sweden is annoying Danish commuters, Denmark is getting rowdy just for the sake of it, does Portugal even exist still?, and so on and so on.

Edited to add; Farage is a fucking tool.
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[RhynoCZ]

Just to add, I wrote that bit in 02:31 am, couldn't sleep, so not everything is 100%, but as I read it through, I got the essentials right, I guess.

Also as you use the term states, not the populace. You should know that each state of the EU is a democracy, even though some still have their queens and kings. Democracy means the rule of people. People go and vote for those you now hate.

Revoked, not sure if I used the right term, but basically, since Lisbon 2009, EU took over for every international agreements/treaties the member countries had between eachother and with the 3rd. countries. If you as a member had a treaty with a 3rd. country before you joined, you can no more benefit from it, yet you are allowed (obligated by the international law) to fulfil your part of the treaty in order to protect the rights of the 3rd. country. AND you are also forced by the EU not to prolong such a treaty nor to make any other treaties that would be against the common policies and the law of the EU.

Common policy no. 1 = free movement of goods, people (EU citizens), services and capital (money).
Next on the list are exclusive competences of the EU = only EU can do stuff in this area, e.g. making treaties with the 3rd. countries.
The last bit, that pisses the UK the most, EU represents all the members in organisations, such as the WTO, meaning UK can't do a thing about their international trade, under the WTO.

So, leaving would mean, UK would be a independent member of the WTO again, for instance. But the rest of the treaties about EU policies and stuff will be gone. The ''free-trade zone'' would be the most hurtful.

OR, at least that is the theory. As I was saying, the EU (after 2009) is something that has never happened before, therefore we have no idea what would leaving of a member could mean. IF the UK will do just fine, I can see many countries leaving as well. If the UK will suffer, which I think it will for a while, others won't feel so tempted.

Side note: To make the EU a federation (such as the USA), you would need to do one simple thing. You see, in a federation, the member states may not veto any laws and decisions made by the federation. In the EU, members still may do that.

EDIT: If the EU goes down, I can already see many organisations like the EU is/was being established quite soon after.
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