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 Posted: 13:20 - 22 Jan 2016  Post subject: Pro EU propanganda leaflets |
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Surprised nobody else has seem these yet.
| Quote: | On Monday, the Britain Stronger in Europe campaign started sending out four-page A3 colour leaflets called ‘Europe and You’ which lists the benefits of the EU to the region where it is being delivered. These leaflets are going out by post to ‘more than 10 million’ homes, which will be hugely costly for the campaign, at least six figures. This suggests that the campaign is well-funded, and doesn’t need to rely on volunteer networks. |
My parents had one through the door and being "January/February 2016 edition", it hints at a regular bombardment of Pro EU propaganda.
It's being promoted by a Will Straw, who appears to be a Labour MP.
I had a quick glance of it at my parents, but can't remember all the main points.
From the quick glance, the main points look pretty easy to debunk and most look like an anti UKIP campaign to be honest.
Claims of the EU only costing each household £1 a day, yet netting each household over £3000 a year, was a surprising (lie) claim.
As was a claim that 1 in 10 jobs rely on us being in the EU and that there would be 3M unemployed added to the unemployment figures if we left.
Apparently we are safer being part of the EU. Presumably because the terrorists and rapeugees with EU papers can walk into the UK un challenged, so will be in a better mood after a more comfortable journey.
They did stop short of claiming that everyone who filled in their details on the back of page 4 and returned them would be a free iPad, but only just. 
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Posted: 13:55 - 22 Jan 2016  Post subject: |
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I presume they meant A5. An A3 leaflet wouldn't fit through many letterboxes.
I hope it is A3 but just normal paper, none of that glossy shit because it doesn't burn very well.
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A3 folded in half.
Mine is in the recycling bin. Life is good.  |
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Is there an address to which I can post it back, wrapped round a brick?
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The EU is such a good idea, and so good for you, that they kept all of the plans secret for decades and didn't tell you about it. I find the EU quite a valuable institution actually as if the EU is in favour, that thing is quite possibly not in my interests.
If Cameron wanted a renegotiation he should have asked Britain's most powerful man in Europe: Nigel Farage. MEP for 17 years, on the council of Presidents for over a decade, sits one seat aside from the European President and goes for lunch with him, and one of the best known people in European politics. Instead he chose, uhh who is the Europe minister anyway?  
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/16/1405468796191_wps_1_Nigel_Farage_L_British_Me.jpg
https://www.politico.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FarageJuncker.png
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| Ste wrote: | On the back page:
"PLEASE RETURN TO:
Britain Stronger In Europe,
St Bride's House,
Salisbury Square,
Londonistan,
EC4Y 8EH" |
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Sending them bricks in the post is only fair.
A pro-EU group sent UKIP 10000s of bricks to their free post.
An individual might want to spend £1 on penny stamps so they don't get done for mail fraud and a 100 envelopes.
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I got the "Europe & You" leaflet in today's post. Since our contributions must be subsidising numerous poorer EU nations until such time that they can get back on their feet through hard work like.... Um.... Well anyway, how can the EU be a net financial benefit to the UK as the leaflet implies?
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The European arrest warrant is one of the most ridiculous "benefits" to point out.
Badman does bad things in Blighty.
Badman flees to Elbonia.
Good! Let Elbonia deal with him. What's the benefit to the UK in hauling him back here, paying to prosecute him, paying to defend him, locking him up at our considerate cost, even paying to educate and train him, and... then what?
Releasing him to commit more badness in the UK? Because having done his sentence there's now no deterrent to him staying.
I want criminals to flee the country, and to stay away for fear of prosecution if they return. European arrest warrants benefits "Europe", not the UK.
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I personally look forwards to watching any pro-EU canvassers who approach me attempting to explain how the common fisheries policy and common agricultural policy are in the best interests of the UK.
Immigration? I couldn't give a shit.
Spanish fishermen having free rein to trawl the North Sea and half-arsed part-time French farmers being subsidised to compete with our own professionals? Fuck off.
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| Im-a-Ridah wrote: |
If you don't care about immigration, then you also don't care about the housing crisis, high rental prices, wage compression, crime rates, lack of space on public transport, long queues on the roads, human rights and Islamism.
I'm also very much looking forward to the in-campaigners! |
He works as a vet, in rural (I think) Scotland.
Stinkwheel isn't part of the demographic that is going to be competing with immigrants for employment, housing, transport etc etc so it is perfectly rational why he isn't concerned about immigration. For his set of circumstances it's unlikely to be an issue for him.
Please don't take the tone of this as some dig Stinkwheel, it's not at all just a statement of fact. |
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| Im-a-Ridah wrote: |
If you don't care about immigration, then you also don't care about the housing crisis, high rental prices, wage compression, crime rates, lack of space on public transport, long queues on the roads, human rights and Islamism.
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I don't think immigration causes these things.
UK population density is 680/sq.mile.
Take away the 10 million non-natives and the density is 580/sq.mile which would only move us 8 places down in the world rankings for country densities.
Transport, housing etc is purely an internal 'economics' issue to me. Housing is too expensive, or all the available homes are in economic deadzones, good jobs are hard to find because they're scarce anyway, transport has been 'austerity'd', and crime is actually lower. All these things are internal affairs for the most part, relating mainly to wealth, inequality, local economy and the likes. Immigration doesn't hugely come into it.
I'd say immigration has two primary issues:
1) Integration, so British communities aren't broken by newcomers forming enclaves
2) Making sure immigrants are only allowed in if they have a skill that we're short on.
Important factors for sure, but not linked to the other economy-related stuff.
EDIT: Actually I'll concede that immigration in its current form causes low skilled jobs to be taken by those who are willing to work for cheaper. For that reason I'd say leave the EU because it really isn't fair to open up the low-skilled sectors of work to make it even harder for those who are already poor enough in this country. So yes, low-skilled job availability is a thing that European immigration surely hits. |
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| Sload wrote: | I may actually feel offended, is this spam being funded by our tax contributions?
I am also very curious to see how it pans out, does anybody feel that if we actually get a vote and if we actually get a majority out that we will actually leave? I can't see how Europe or our own government will let that happen. Could be very interesting times ahead.
The proles are revolting, Chuck them some crumbs. |
It doesn't need government funding. Many the huge international corporations who benefit massively from the EU setup of bribing one institution rather than 28 will all donate generously to keep the status quo. What's a couple million to them?
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Entirely understandable. I'd be willing to bet that half of the pro immigration lot never see migrants on a daily basis, whilst campaigning from their leafy Surrey suburbs.
Where does Vincent live again? |
You'd have to live under a rock to not see some immigrants in a day. At the other extreme if you live in somewhere like London it's not a case of how many a day, but rather is there ever a time except in your own home when you don't see immigrants!
My area is considered to be low immigration and I hear people talking Eastern European all the time.
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I don't think immigration causes these things.
UK population density is 680/sq.mile.
Take away the 10 million non-natives and the density is 580/sq.mile which would only move us 8 places down in the world rankings for country densities.
Transport, housing etc is purely an internal 'economics' issue to me. Housing is too expensive, or all the available homes are in economic deadzones, good jobs are hard to find because they're scarce anyway, transport has been 'austerity'd', and crime is actually lower. All these things are internal affairs for the most part, relating mainly to wealth, inequality, local economy and the likes. Immigration doesn't hugely come into it.
I'd say immigration has two primary issues:
1) Integration, so British communities aren't broken by newcomers forming enclaves
2) Making sure immigrants are only allowed in if they have a skill that we're short on.
Important factors for sure, but not linked to the other economy-related stuff.
EDIT: Actually I'll concede that immigration in its current form causes low skilled jobs to be taken by those who are willing to work for cheaper. For that reason I'd say leave the EU because it really isn't fair to open up the low-skilled sectors of work to make it even harder for those who are already poor enough in this country. So yes, low-skilled job availability is a thing that European immigration surely hits. |
Your argument is that money can solve a lot of the problems that immigration has created, not that immigration hasn't caused those problems. Money can indeed solve those problems, but since most of the migrants are poor we aren't likely to have the money with which to address the problems*. There's also the issue of the time to normalisation which will probably be measured in decades, in the case of the religion of special needs, forever.
*Leaving aside the magic money tree economics of parties like the Greens |
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You have to be able to filter out the bullshit from BOTH leaflets when you receive them.
EAW is bollocks. Why they point that out as a benefit, I dunno. Has it ever been used? If so, why are all the Brit crims sunning it up in the Costa Del Crime?
The Euro has been getting stronger recently. To the point that since before Xmas, we now get 10 cents less per £ than then. Maybe not much issues for holiday makers etc. but this really does affect my line of work, given the majority of our work is based on imports from Holland etc.
If we do leave, and end up with tarriffs etc. I can see there being a lot of damage done to the industrial, ship building, and manufacturing sectors which we are involved in.
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| Jewlio Rides Again wrote: | You have to be able to filter out the bullshit from BOTH leaflets when you receive them.
EAW is bollocks. Why they point that out as a benefit, I dunno. Has it ever been used? If so, why are all the Brit crims sunning it up in the Costa Del Crime?
The Euro has been getting stronger recently. To the point that since before Xmas, we now get 10 cents less per £ than then. Maybe not much issues for holiday makers etc. but this really does affect my line of work, given the majority of our work is based on imports from Holland etc.
If we do leave, and end up with tarriffs etc. I can see there being a lot of damage done to the industrial, ship building, and manufacturing sectors which we are involved in. |
That works both ways. If we leave, EU produced goods suddenly carry import duty, making UK produced goods more competitive over night. As we're a vastly bigger importer than exporter of goods which isn't good for our economy. Keeping more money in this country and boosting UK manufacturing should be a good thing.
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