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Video is a non point on the thread. The video shows the comparison between a chinese imported helmet and a European registered helmet. The Maurashin helmet I almost bought once but the fit was not good. It carries the same ECE22.05 standard as the current Black brand in question. The chances are the Black brand would stand up every bit as well as it has passed the same tests.
I have owned a set of Black brand boots and they lasted a good 2 years. They were comfortable and they only ended up in the bin because the insole had broken. I could probably have replaced it. ____________________ illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
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Video is a non point on the thread. |
Didn't I say that? Not really an issue for us but if you were in Asia with the a helmets a helmet attitude then that video might make you think. |
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Would've been better if he'd hammered the kid... ____________________ Ducati M695 |
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Would've been better if he'd hammered the kid... |
a BIG lol ____________________ 82 not out....1983 Honda LA250 Custom
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I have a scan somewhere of a slight crack in my skull and 2 bits of bone broken off around my neck whilst wearing all the gear and a pricey AGV at 30mph ill try to find it |
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If the entry weight you have to lift to get into a weightlifting contest is 150kg and 2 men both lift that. Do both of them win the competition? No, you go on to find out who can lift the most. One might stop at 180kg, one might go on to 250kg.
If you needed to lift 250kg to save somebody's life but you couldn't because you could only lift 180kg - then wouldn't you wish you'd trained harder to lift that bit extra? Would it have been worth the extra effort?
It's in no way saying that a £30 lid is any less safe than a £100 or a £500 lid because I don't know - and that's part of my frustration. But what I can't just accept on the basis of a gold star is that all helmets with the certification sticker are created equal in respect of safety because I just can't imagine that to be the case.
And yes I'm well aware of the arguments that you can have a helmet stand up to x y z point but your neck is still broken. I don't necessarily have a view on that because I'm not experienced enough to have seen the ill effects of a nasty crash on someone's C5 vertebrae. |
I just don't think it's worth worrying about to that degree. Even the scientific research on impact protection seems to be inconclusive. There just isn't enough information available to base your decision on if you're going to be that fussy.
Two criteria make up most people's choice of lid.
1. Does it fit well?
2. Can I afford it?
I would add, 3. Is it quiet in use? but that's something you don't know until you've tried it out whilst riding, which you can't do until you've bought it, by which time it's too late.
I also try to look for something that is fairly light, as I do notice the difference, especially on, say, a long motorway trip, or a trip with lots of high speed riding - less fatiguing with a lighter helmet. This is where the more modern composite shells come in to play, but so too does extra cost.
My last £50 helmet was ok. But it was heavy, the vents didn't work well and despite a fairly good fit, it was noisy. Best thing I've found about the more expensive helmets I use now is that they have almost completely eliminated buffeting at speed, which has the knock-on effect of reducing noise. If I could have got all that at a lower price, I probably would have. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Not knocking anything here, but that sort of comparison has always sat uncomfortably with me.
There's loads of comments such as 'my £30 lid has passed the same safety tests as your £300 Shoei so therefore it's just as good' or the like. But what if ECE22.05 certification actually meant nothing more than it could withstand a wet lettuce leaf being dragged across it? What if then the £30 lid could only withstand a 6g impact but the £300 one a 10g? Or would it even matter if there was the discrepancy? Would you be any more likely to survive in the real world in a real accident?
I know there's SHARP testing and the like which is supposed to put some of this to bed but there's a lot of negative comments about such tests and their relevance - sometimes by the same folk as in the first camp of 'it's got a gold sticker, guv'.
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Just because it is more expensive does not mean it will protect you any better. Take the SHARP test for example. They rate lids 1 to 5 stars. Both will have passed the same ECE22.05 test to be sold legally but the 5 star lid performed better in the SHARP test so logically it is a safer helmet.
Price and brand has very little to do with it. Take this for example as case and point:
Arai RRP£240 only has 2 stars.
Duchinni RRP£60 gets 5 stars so this 60 quid lid is safer than the well known and trusted Arai branded one.
Go figure.
Both have passed ECE22.05 but which would you trust more? My Schuberth is a 4 star helmet, My HJC is 5. But my Schuberth is lighter, quieter and more comfortable to wear all day on DAS so I wear that more. IT also cost £550 compared to £150 for the HJC. So where did my money go? It went to a lighter helmet, quieter, and comfort.
It's like food shopping, You can buy the Tesco value sauce, It will be tasty, it will have passed the same hygiene standards for consumption as the Heinz ketchup but you know the heinz is thicker, richer and tastier. ____________________ illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 247 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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