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PostPosted: 14:54 - 15 Feb 2016    Post subject: Who tracks macros? Reply with quote

I've been getting serious in the gym recently (last year or so) and have seen some good gains.

I've got to the point now where I can tell my eating habits are getting in the way of progress and have been reading up about tracking macros and so called "flexible dieting".

So, do any of you track macros? If so, how difficult is it to maintain in reality? I mean it's all good for a fitness fanatic who does nothing but work out and flex, but in real life I imagine it'll be a bit of a ballache to keep going?

Interested to hear your thoughts... Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 15:37 - 15 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

myfitnesspal app does it all for you. Make sure you enter the right foods though and quantities.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 15 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
myfitnesspal app does it all for you. Make sure you enter the right foods though and quantities.


have you used it? does it help or does it just become a chore to log everything you eat?
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 15 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used it when I was going to the gym (stopped now, lazy bastard) and no tbh it wasn't a chore at the time because the app lets you favourite certain foods that you eat often, and shows you your macro percentages as you add foods, as well as what makes up those macros (e.g. how much of your carbs were sugars etc and what foods caused that). In that sense it's also useful in teaching you what foods to avoid.

In my opinion it's the easiest way vs writing things down or adding things up yourself. You can also scan barcodes on 95% of things and the app will have the macros up for you instantly.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 15 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meef wrote:
I used it when I was going to the gym (stopped now, lazy bastard) and no tbh it wasn't a chore at the time because the app lets you favourite certain foods that you eat often, and shows you your macro percentages as you add foods, as well as what makes up those macros (e.g. how much of your carbs were sugars etc and what foods caused that). In that sense it's also useful in teaching you what foods to avoid.

In my opinion it's the easiest way vs writing things down or adding things up yourself. You can also scan barcodes on 95% of things and the app will have the macros up for you instantly.


Nice, thanks for that. I'll give it a go. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 15 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheArchitect wrote:
So, do any of you track macros? If so, how difficult is it to maintain in reality? I mean it's all good for a fitness fanatic who does nothing but work out and flex, but in real life I imagine it'll be a bit of a ballache to keep going?


I do. I don't find it that difficult to do, but it did take some setting up initially. I built a spreadsheet to do it (which you're welcome to have a copy of - PM me). I tend to have a certain few meals that I rotate over and over. It gets a bit boring, but eventually you'll get a feel for how much protein/carb/fat is in a particular food, and it'll all fall into place.

I'd advise working out your macros, then writing up a three week meal plan and sticking to it religiously to begin with. I went as far as thinking of everything I could possibly eat, reading all the labels, and typing the amount of protein/carb/fat per 100g/1 unit of the food into my spreadsheet. This means that I can say "I'll eat three eggs, a chicken breast, a can of tuna, 1tbsp of olive oil and 60g of pasta", and it'll just work out the exact quantities of each macronutrient for me.

I'm sure there are apps and websites you can use, but for me, it was better to really think about it myself. I also found that it was difficult to use those websites to measure things like chicken - sometimes the macros were way off when I compared them to the packaging of stuff sitting in my fridge! It took me some time to set up the first time round, but now I never really have to think about it. Most productive workout I've ever had Laughing

I'm not sure how you plan to calculate your macros - some people tend to use ratios of protein:carb:fat, but this is stupid. Your body doesn't care about ratios - it cares about sufficient intake of each macro per kg of mass. Hopefully I'm not teaching you to suck eggs here... someone else may find it useful either way!

Surbitom wrote:
To work out your macros, figure out how many calories you need to maintain your weight. 2,500kcal is a good place to start if you don't already know how many calories you need.

Then, calculate your lean mass - i.e. your weight * (100% - your body fat percentage).

- Eat 2.2g of protein for each kg of lean mass.
- Eat 1.25g of fat for each kg of lean mass.
- Fill in the rest of the intake with carbohydrate.

Protein is 4kcal/g, and fat is 9kcal/g. This means to get to your 2,500kcal, you have to deduct the calories used on protein (i.e. 2.2g * lean mass * 4kcal/g) and the calories used on fat (i.e. 1.25g * lean mass * 9kcal/g) - whatever you're left with is the number of calories you can use on carbohydrate, and you can divide those calories by 4 to get the amount of carbs in grams.

Here is a worked example:

You need 2,500kcal.
You are 75kg at 10% body fat.
This means your lean mass is 75kg * (100% - 10%) = 67.5kg.

Protein: 2.2 * 67.5kg = 149g (which is the same as 596kcal)
Fat: 1.25 * 67.5kg = 84g (which is the same as 756kcal)
Carbohydrate: 2,500kcal less 596kcal less 756kcal = 1,148kcal (which is the same as 287g).

(As a quick test/proof, this means the ratio of protein:carb:fat comes out at 596:1148:756, which is basically 25:45:30 - pretty textbook "generally accepted" numbers for most healthy adults. However, using ratios to work out macronutrients is generally a stupid idea. Use grams per kg of lean mass instead!)

Monitor your weight for 3 weeks or so.

If you're losing weight too quickly, add 10-20% to the number of calories you're eating (this means you'll be eating additional carbohydrate).
If you're gaining weight too quickly, deduct 10-20% from the number of calories you're eating (and clearly the amount of carbohydrate will reduce accordingly).

Or you might decide to keep them the same if you're at a weight you're happy with Very Happy

The amount of protein and fat will remain relatively static, as your weight is a fairly slow-changing quantity. You shouldn't be losing/gaining more than 1kg/week at the absolute most. When you increase/reduce calories, the difference will come mainly from carbohydate. You can recalculate your macros every 3 weeks or so to keep them in line with your actual lean mass and calorie requirements.


It's all fairly easy stuff once you get used to it. You'll be surprised by how much easier it makes training once you're eating properly too. Also, it should be noted that the 2.2g/lean kg and 1.25g/lean kg are just what I use. Some people go as low as 1.6g/lean kg and as high as 3.0g/lean kg (for protein), and as low as 0.66g/lean kg and as high as 1.5g/lean kg (for fat). It's just a matter of finding out what works best for you.

If I were just starting to think about my macros, I'd start at 2.2g/lean kg for protein (i.e. 1g/lean lb - bodybuilders have used that amount for decades!) and 1.25g/lean kg for fat and see how you get on.

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PostPosted: 13:38 - 16 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surbiton, many thanks! this is the kind of info I needed ie in basic terms.

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PostPosted: 14:37 - 16 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feel free to ask if you have any more questions - I've done a lot of reading about it over the last couple of years.
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