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PostPosted: 23:26 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: American / Irish Elections Reply with quote

Is anyone else fed up, not interested/don't care about American elections? With months to go, it seems that in every state there is an election on whom is going to be the candidate for both parties.

Whereas there is a general election on Friday in the republic and there is feck all mention of it on the UK news.

What is going on? Why do people care so much about the American elections, sure I can understand it with a few days to go, but it's in November!

I'm also bored of the Euro referendum, I don't think I can cope with 4 months of bbc bias.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop being so boring, the US election primaries are excellent entertainment.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really you're in to it? Explain the fun Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You get to watch debates, post dank memes, generally spout random one-liners......

It's not news, it's entertainment.

As much as the Republicans have got stupid policies they make it fun, the Democrat side of Bernie vs Hillary is pretty tame and there is only two choices.

There is several Republican candidates with a pretty broad swathe of individual politics... much more interesting.

To put it into perspective, USA isn't like over here where the party leadership elects a leader. The primary elections (the ones happening now) are the ones where people fight it out to secure the nomination from their party. So the current round isn't Dems vs Repubs, it Dems vs Dems and Repubs vs Repubs.

The bit later this year is the Dems vs Repubs actual election for the next president.

The UK analog of this is the labour leadership vote we just had, people fighting for top-dog position within the party. Just like the individual party leader sets a tone for that govt so will the choice of presidential candidates. Trump vs Cruz would both be Republican presidents, but would make very different presidents.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Politics in other countries is generally pretty boring as the effects on you are much less. I personally don't like any of the US candidates on either side. I only have a preference for Trump because he is mildly entertaining but still I wouldn't vote for him.
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Politics in other countries is generally pretty boring as the effects on you are much less. I personally don't like any of the US candidates on either side. I only have a preference for Trump because he is mildly entertaining but still I wouldn't vote for him.


I like to think that he is doing all this shit just to prove a point.

IF he gets the presidency, I really hope he turns round to 'MURICA! and says something along the lines of:-

"If you voted for me, then you're a fucking idiot."
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PostPosted: 01:29 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup the US is essentially the entertainment hub of the world. Think of 'murica as a kind of massive real life SKY box with all the channels for free. The more I see of Trump the more I hope he gets elected. He would throw such a curve ball to the established setup it would be like Freddy Kruger popping up on Friends. Let the entertainment begin!
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:
Really you're in to it? Explain the fun Laughing

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PostPosted: 08:21 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:32 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He would throw such a curve ball to the established setup it would be like Freddy Kruger popping up on Friends. Let the entertainment begin!


That's exactly it. You don't have to like Trumps policies, but anyone should be able to admit it's good he is in the running purely for the fact it is rattling the establishments cage so much.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump, the Fortunate Son who's managed to break even over the years by bunging bribes "campaign contributions" to politicians up to and including the Clintons? He is the establishment. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trump, the Fortunate Son who's managed to break even over the years by bunging bribes "campaign contributions" to politicians up to and including the Clintons? He is the establishment. Laughing


Yes, if he did get the presidency he would get a visit from the men in black the moment he sat his fat arse down in the oval office. He would then go along with whatever their demands are.

There was someone on BBC Breakfast this morning said Trump would actually have more wealth if he had just left what he inherited from his father in investments.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There was someone on BBC Breakfast this morning said Trump would actually have more wealth if he had just left what he inherited from his father in investments.


Wow that's such a crap argument. Firstly investments are never guaranteed, regardless of what the financial institutions (i.e. banksters) say and secondly, they're having a pop at him for running a business and employing thousands of people - rather than sitting back and doing nothing?

Such a scummy attitude, sadly common nowadays.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Trump, the Fortunate Son who's managed to break even over the years by bunging bribes "campaign contributions" to politicians up to and including the Clintons? He is the establishment. Laughing


If he's the establishment then why the desperation to knock him out of the contest?

I see he brought up the Saudi involvement in 9/11 - hardly an establishment line. Certainly helped put an end to Jeb Bush's run.

Also, he's pledging to audit their Fed reserve - again not something the establishment would be looking to do. Same with protecting their 2nd Amendment..

I see quite a few of his policies at 180 degrees to the Washington-mafia so no wonder all the US media seem to be attacking him.

I see in his latest interview he said he would like to see charges brought against Hilary too.

He's a refreshing change in US politics IMO.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a perfectly valid point to make. Despite his constant self-promotion, Trump is not a particularly successful businessman.

However, that still puts him streets ahead of virtually every other politician, who go straight from cloistered academia into echo chamber politics without even failing in the real world, let alone succeeding.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It's a perfectly valid point to make. Despite his constant self-promotion, Trump is not a particularly successful businessman.


His worth is reportedly over $3 billion. Not bad business.


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However, that still puts him streets ahead of virtually every other politician, who go straight from cloistered academia into echo chamber politics without even failing in the real world, let alone succeeding.


Agree 100%.
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
It's a perfectly valid point to make. Despite his constant self-promotion, Trump is not a particularly successful businessman.


His worth is reportedly over $3 billion. Not bad business.




Which adjusted for inflation is less than what daddy left him with...
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:

Which adjusted for inflation is less than what daddy left him with...


So the American economy has been through the wringer several times over those years, yet he's still worth billions...

What figure would you find acceptable then? Why so jelly bro? Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
chris-red wrote:

Which adjusted for inflation is less than what daddy left him with...


So the American economy has been through the wringer several times over those years, yet he's still worth billions...

What figure would you find acceptable then? Why so jelly bro? Laughing


Jelly? I'm just correcting assumption that he is a good businessman. Put it this way had he invested all Daddies money in an index fund or other low risk instrument then chillaxed on an desert island for the last few decades, he would be considerably better off than he is now.

He has filled for Bankruptcy multiple times FFS Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:

Jelly?


He’s maintained massive personal wealth through the turgid US economy. Quite an achievement, but apparently not good enough for you. Razz

He hasn’t filed bankruptcy either, rather those business ventures went south. His personal wealth was always kept separate, in fact quite a lot of the projects he’s been involved with has used 3rd party finance vehicles to protect his personal assets. Chase Manhattan funded Trump towers etc.

I really don’t get this attack on his business. I’ve already pointed out that failsafe investments don’t exist – so your investment argument doesn’t hold water.

Luckily you didn’t get millions from your parents aye!
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
I really don’t get this attack on his business.

That's strange, as you seem able to form cogent sentences.

It's not a difficult concept. Trump has performed no better than the market. Pointing out that he hasn't drowned doesn't grant him wings, it just means that he treaded water while it rose around him.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trump has performed no better than the market.


Anyone that survives multiple market crashes, multiple divorces and still comes out after nearly 40 years of living a millionaire lifestyle with over $3 billion is successful.

He could have invested the money and lost it all. Yet, he still has the money and has lived a life to remember.

Now don't get me wrong, I certainly doubt that he's an angel and that we'd agree on everything but I certainly respect the dude for surviving the real estate market crashes and growing a business empire over almost four decades.

Plus his missus is pretty hot. (again)
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Anyone that survives multiple market crashes, multiple divorces and still comes out after nearly 40 years of living a millionaire lifestyle with over $3 billion is successful.


Nope.

Anyone could survive multiple market crashes, multiple divorces and still come out after nearly 40 years of living a millionaire lifestyle, given over $3 billion to play with - it does not make them

a) Successful.
b) A good businessman.

It simply makes them lucky.

In truth, I think the hamster stitched to his head actually runs all his businesses.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
multiple market crashes

You get that markets crash and then recover, right?

Are you constantly astonished that anyone is still in business after 40 years?

I think he's a genius at building the Trump Brand, and he has earned what he's spent, but he's not the Messiah of Money.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyone could survive multiple market crashes, It simply makes them lucky.


He hasn't just maintained it, he's built it back up from $500million in the 90's.

Also, I don't know where you get this idea that business is easy and you can survive market crashes in business 'easily'. I think you're full of throwaway comments but have you actually been successful in business yourself? Oh let me guess..
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