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PostPosted: 16:09 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Scrote on moped sentenced to a Thinking Skills Programme Reply with quote

This geezer in Colchester rode his moped at young children on the pavement when he was trying to escape the Polis. He's been banned twice but never actually passed a test or held a licence. He's 24, has 25 convictions and is soon to become a father. The judge gives him a suspended sentence plus this:

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TSP (Thinking Skills Programme) – A cognitive skills programme which addresses the way offenders think and their behaviour associated with offending. The programme aims to reduce reoffending by engaging and motivating, coaching and responding to individual need and building on continuity. It supports offenders developing skills in setting goals and making plans to achieve these without offending.


The TSP is one of 50+ Offender Behaviour Programmes administered by the Justice Department https://www.justice.gov.uk/offenders/before-after-release/obp It sounds like a progressive approach, but I find it hard to imagine that sitting in a classroom being lectured by nanny state will actually change the guy's behaviour the next time he gets hold of a bike. Are there any BCFers with expertise in this sort of thing? Does it work? I've had a google but couldn't find any evidence.

News story here: https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/14282176.Dangerous_driver_avoids_jail_despite_almost_hitting_children_during_police_chase/
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the African machete approach would be more effective against reoffending. Thumbs Up
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Shocked Brief details of our current suite of Accredited Programmes:

ART (Aggression Replacement Training) – A groupwork programme for people convicted of violent offences or who have problems controlling their temper. It challenges offenders to accept responsibility for their behaviour; the aims are to reduce the incidence of assault, public order offences and criminal damage, increase public protection and challenge offenders to accept responsibility for their crime and its consequences.

ARV (Alcohol Related Violence Programme) – An alcohol programme which aims to reduce alcohol related violent offending. This medium intensity cognitive behavioural group programme is designed for hazardous drinkers (i.e. NOT severely dependant drinkers) in custody for alcohol related violence. It challenges the way individuals think towards drinking and violence, examines lifestyles and decision making, primarily (but not exclusively) in younger men.

ASRO (Addressing Substance Related Offending) – A drug and alcohol cognitive behavioural intervention designed to assist offenders address drug and alcohol related offending and to reduce or stop substance misuse.

Belief in Change - A year long programme for medium to high risk general offenders. It focuses on reintegration and building skills and support networks for release. It uses a range of methods including community living, structured group work, individual coaching and mentoring. It places high emphasis on building links in the wider community and increasing employability. Belief in Change encourages participants to think about their personal faith and spirituality and how this might support their process of change.

BSR (Building Skills for Recovery) - This is a psychosocial programme which can be delivered in a group setting or on a one-to-one basis. It aims to reduce offending behaviour and problematic substance misuse with an eventual goal of recovery. This is achieved through the exploration of previous and current substance use and the acquisition of a skill set to prevent future relapse into former patterns and behaviours – in essence the formulation of a person centred 'Recovery toolkit'.

CALM (Controlling Anger and Learning to Manage it) - An emotional management programme designed for those whose offending behaviour is precipitated by intense emotions. The goals are to assist offenders understand the factors that trigger their anger and aggression and learn skills to manage their emotions.
Choices, Actions, Relationships and Emotions (CARE) - This is a course for female prisoners whose offending is related to difficulties with emotion regulation. The course aims to help participants identify and label emotions and develop skills for managing emotion. In addition, the course aims to foster a positive self-identity that will enable participants to live the kind of life they would like to on release.

CDVP (Community Domestic Violence Programme) - A Domestic Violence programme aimed at reducing the risk of violent crime and abusive behaviour towards women in relationships by helping male perpetrators change their attitudes and behaviour and to reduce the risk of all violent and abusive behaviour in the family.

Chromis - This is a complex and intensive programme that aims to reduce violence in high risk offenders whose level or combination of psychopathic traits disrupts their ability to accept treatment and change. Chromis has been specifically designed to meet the needs of highly psychopathic individuals and provides participants with the skills to reduce and manage their risk.

COVAID Programmes (Control of violence and anger in impulsive drinkers) – A series of programmes aimed at reducing violence and anger in impulsive drinkers. The different versions of the COVAID programme can be delivered as groupwork or on a one to one basis, in either secure or community settings. All the programmes are aimed at reducing re-offending primarily by young men with a repeated history of violence whilst intoxicated.

CSB (Cognitive Skills Booster) - Designed to reinforce learning from other general offending programmes (ETS, Think First and R&R) through skills rehearsal and relapse prevention.

Democratic TC (Therapeutic Community) - Democratic TCs provide a residential, offending behaviour intervention for prisoners who have a range of complex offending behaviour risk areas, including emotional and psychological needs and Personality Disorders. Democratic TCs provide a 24/7 living-learning intervention for offenders whose primary criminogenic risk factors need to be targeted whilst simultaneously addressing psychological and emotional disturbance.

DID (Drink Impaired Drivers Programme) - DID challenges attitudes and behaviour, aiming to reduce drink driving. Through self monitoring of an offender's drinking it aims to increase the knowledge of alcohol and its effects; promote safer driving and create a change in behaviour and attitude towards alcohol use and driving. It also aims to raise awareness and the effects on victims, victims families and the offender themselves.

FOCUS Substance misuse programme - A cognitive behavioural treatment programme designed to assist prisoners to address factors relating to substance (drug and alcohol) misuse that links to their offending behaviour.

FOR (Focus on Resettlement) - This is a resettlement intervention designed to give a kick-start to the process of change It is a brief cognitive-motivational programme the primary objective of which is to increase the motivation of prisoners to become committed and active participants in setting their own agenda for change. This programme is designed for those serving sentences under 4 years and is only available in custody.

Generic Booster Programme GBP – This is a booster programme for candidates from TSP, BSR and the new violence programme. It is currently in development and will be piloted over the next year.

HRP (Healthy Relationship Programme) - A programme for men who have committed violent behaviour in a domestic setting. The aim is to end violence and abuse against participants' intimate partners. Participants will learn about their abusive behaviours and be taught alternative skills and behaviours to help them develop healthy, non-abusive relationships. There are two versions of HRP – the moderate intensity programme for men assessed as having a moderate risk/moderate need profile and the high intensity programme designed for high risk/high need offenders.

IDAP (Integrated Domestic Abuse Programme) – A domestic abuse programme designed for men who have committed violent behaviour in an intimate relationship. The aim is to end violence and abuse against participants' intimate partners. Participants will learn about their abusive behaviours and be taught alternative skills and behaviours to help them develop healthy, non-abusive relationships.

JETS (Juvenile Estate Thinking Skills Programme) - The JETS programme is based on the ETS cognitive skills programme but has been specifically re-developed for use with a juvenile age group (14-17 years). The JETS programme addresses thinking and behaviour associated with offending.
Kainos 'challenge to change' - This programme is a full time, twenty four week, therapeutic community based programme targeted at medium to high risk offenders with criminogenic needs that match those targeted by the programme. It uses a hybrid model - combining elements of cognitive behavioural programmes provided in four main intervention modules with learning, and delivered through a therapeutic community approach. The programme is partly facilitated by mentors who have already completed the programme. The Kainos Community is a registered charity and currently runs programmes in three prisons: HMP Stocken, HMP Guys Marsh and HMP Haverig.

LIAP (Low Intensity Alcohol Programme) - Provides motivation for behaviour change through alcohol misuse awareness to assist relapse prevention.

OSAP (Substance Abuse Programme) – This programme addresses drugs or alcohol misuse, using cognitive methods to change attitudes and behaviour to prevent relapse and reduce offending.

P-ASRO (Prison - Addressing Substance Related Offending) - A Drug intervention, P-ASRO addresses how thought processes and socio-economic situations contribute to the development of problematic levels of substance use and crime in individuals over their life span. Uses full assessment, programme material, individual key work sessions and a post programme review to evaluate progress and identify further support and treatment needs.

Priestley One to One Programme (Priestley OTO) – A cognitive and motivational programme focuses on changing behaviour to reduce offending, including problem-solving, self-management and social skills; to increase public protection and challenges offenders to accept responsibility for their crime and its consequence. This programme only runs in the community.

PPTCP (Prison Partnership Therapeutic Community Programme) – An abstinence based substance misuse programme based on a total immersion model. Participants take responsibility for self, and mutual, help in making lifestyle modifications within a three phase treatment model designed to mirror wider community living. Participants are responsible for the day to day running of the programme which consists of work roles, leisure time, group and 1:1 sessions, challenging behaviour and support. Can also be referred to as hierarchical or concept based TC's.

PPTSP (Prison Partnership Twelve Step Programme) - A drug and alcohol high intensity intervention programme aiming to highlight loss of control over an individual's substance use, offending and other dysfunctional areas of life. The aim is to develop a commitment to change whilst gaining the support of a Higher Power. Unhelpful thought processes are replaced with more pro-social models with ongoing support linked to the Fellowships of Narcotics Anonymous, Alcoholics Anonymous and Cocaine Anonymous.

RAPt (Rehabilitation of Addicted Prisoners Trust) - including Alcohol Dependency Treatment Programme (ADTP) – These are Drug & Alcohol interventions that aim to highlight loss of control over an individual's substance use, offending and other areas of life and develops a commitment to change whilst gaining the support of a higher power. Follows the 12 step NA fellowship programme.

RESOLVE - A moderate intensity cognitive-behavioural intervention that aims to reduce violence in medium risk adult male offenders. The programme includes group and individual sessions and is suitable for offenders with a history of reactive or instrumental violence.

RESPOND - This is an individual cognitive skills programme for offenders who are eligible for TSP but not suitable for the group format for a variety of reasons. It is currently in development and will be piloted next year.

SCP (Self Change Programme) - Aims to reduce violence in high risk repetitively violent offenders. The programme targets offenders' patterns of anti-social thinking and beliefs that support violence.

SDP (Short Duration Programme) - A structured 4 week intervention, based on a CBT/Harm Minimisation model. Looking at substance awareness, harm minimisation and the treatment services available in prison and the community. Also focusing on harm minimisation, the cycle of change and relapse prevention and on high-risk situations, coping with cravings and relationships as well as problem solving, reviewing the programme and each individual's relapse prevention plan. The intervention concludes with a post programme review to evaluate progress and identify further support and treatment needs.

Sex Offender Treatment Programmes (SOTP) - A range of programmes are available for sexual offenders, providing a menu which are offered according to the level of risk and need of the offender.

C-SOGP (Community Sex Offenders Group Programme) - helps offenders develop understanding of how and why they have committed sexual offences. The programme also increases awareness of victim harm. The main focus is to help the offender develop meaningful life goals and practice new thinking and behavioural skills that will lead him away from offending.

NSOGP (Northumbria Sex Offenders Group Programme) - helps offenders develop understanding of how and why they have committed sexual offences. The programme also increases awareness of victim harm. The main focus is to help the offender develop meaningful life goals and practice new thinking and behavioural skills that will lead him away from offending.

NSOGP (Northumbria Sex Offenders Group Programme) - Community Better Lives (RP) BL and RP (Community) - A sex offender treatment programme that follows on from 'core' programmes such as NSOGP or SOTP. Its aim is to reinforce and consolidate core learning and to develop and practice skills essential in assisting men to formulate appropriate relapse prevention strategies.

TVSOGP (Thames Valley Sex Offenders Group Programme) - helps offenders develop understanding of how and why they have committed sexual offences. The programme also increases awareness of victim harm. The main focus is to help the offender develop meaningful life goals and practice new thinking and behavioural skills that will lead him away from offending.

I-SOTP (Internet Sex Offender Treatment Programme) - A programme designed to explore and address the thoughts, feelings and beliefs underpinning the group members internet sex offending. Aim is to reduce the risk of further similar offending and, like other sex offender programmes, increases the offenders understanding of the impact of their offending on others, including their victims.

ASOTP-CV (Adapted Sex Offender Treatment Programme - Community Version) - Adapted Community sex offender programme similar to SOTP, but adapted for those who have social or learning difficulties. It is designed to increase sexual knowledge, modify offence-justifying thinking, develop ability to recognise feelings in themselves and others, to gain an understanding of victim harm, and develop relapse prevention skills.

SOTP Core (Sex Offenders Treatment Programme) - Core helps offenders develop understanding of how and why they have committed sexual offences. The programme also increases awareness of victim harm. The main focus is to help the offender develop meaningful life goals and practice new thinking and behavioural skills that will lead him away from offending.

SOTP BNM (Sex Offenders Treatment Programme Becoming New Me) - Covers similar areas to Core SOTP, but adapted for those who have social or learning difficulties. It is designed to increase sexual knowledge, modify offence-justifying thinking, develop ability to recognise feelings in themselves and others, to gain an understanding of victim harm, and develop relapse prevention skills.

SOTP BLB (Sex Offenders Treatment Programme Better Lives Booster) - Designed to boost sexual offenders' learning from other SOTPs and provide additional opportunities to practice personally relevant skills. It can be run in two forms - a low intensity (one session a week) helps to maintain change in long term prisoners and the high intensity, pre-release programme is particularly focused on preparation for transition into the community.

SOTP ABLB (Sex Offenders Treatment Programme Adapted Better Lives Booster) - Aimed at those who have completed the Adapted SOTP. Shares the same aims as the Core version but the treatment delivery methods are different to accommodate different learning styles and abilities. A low intensity version is for long term prisoners and a high intensity version is for those who are in the last year of their sentence, preparing them for release.

SOTP Extended (Sex Offenders Treatment Programme Extended) - Extended is targeted at high and very high risk men who have successfully met the treatment targets of the Core programme. The programme covers 4 areas; recognising and modifying patterns of dysfunctional thinking, emotional regulation, intimacy skills and relapse prevention.

SOTP HSF (Sex Offenders Treatment Programme Healthy Sexual Functioning) - Aims to promote healthy sexual functioning, mainly in high-risk sexual offenders, who acknowledge current or very recent offence-related sexual interests. Modules include developing a more healthy sexuality, patterns in sexual arousal, behavioural strategies for promoting healthy sexual interest and relapse prevention.

SOTP Rolling (Sex Offenders Treatment Programme Rolling) - Rolling provides a less intensive level of treatment with more emphasis on relationships skills and attachment styles deficits. The group rolls continuously with members joining and leaving as it rolls along so members will therefore be at different stages of treatment, depending on when they joined the group.

The Women's Programme – This is a cognitive and motivational programme specifically designed for women who have committed acquisitive offences and are at risk of reconviction for non violent crimes. It is suitable for women where there is a demonstrable history of acquisitive offending despite the current offence not appearing acquisitive in nature. The programme looks at the way women understand and deal with problems in their lives, and looks at alternative ways of dealing with them.

TSP (Thinking Skills Programme) – A cognitive skills programme which addresses the way offenders think and their behaviour associated with offending. The programme aims to reduce reoffending by engaging and motivating, coaching and responding to individual need and building on continuity. It supports offenders developing skills in setting goals and making plans to achieve these without offending.


^^^ Right here we have the cost of removing any tangible discipline from UK schools over the last 30 years.
A lot of these wrong uns would have been cured with a little slap when they were kids but oh no that's cruel etc etc.


The millions they must spunk on all that wafflling. I'm sure all the hand wringing experts running these courses are
handsomely rewarded for their expertise, but here's the thing. The types these courses are aimed at are broken
people who aren't that interested in becoming fixed. Normal people don't need to go on a course to tell them it's not
alright to drop kick a granny and nick her purse, or chin someone and grab their phone.

They should spend the money wasted on all that forehead patting and spend it on offshore floating prisons in the
North sea. The only thing that puts people off of doing crime is LONG sentences. And they don't get those because the
prisons are full already. So we spend all this money trying to fix these animals when it would be better spent
just keeping them isolated from society for longer because they simply don't care how they behave when
they are among others. No amount of group hugs, poetry courses, and all that other liberal crap will make a blind bit
of difference. In fact they are just laughing at these wooly idiots as they swear they will do things differently
this time... 'This fucking time... Pah! You never know way it might be seen as a punishment rather than a brief
interruption of business as usual if going to prison was a very unpleasant thing, like a punishment is supposed
to be. Floating so the constant motion is a constant reminder of why they are there and indeed that they are there.
When prisons stop feeling like a prison, then they stop being one. And in the UK 'Prison' is THE only 'deterrent' we have.
I say make prisons worse. It's a societies chance to fuck with them a bit and see how they like it.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely if they mangled the offender`s hands and feet to the point he will never use them again, we all get a result.
If his hands & feet don`t work he cant ride/steal/fight and if he does find a way to ride/steal/fight, he wont be able to run away when the police turn up Thumbs Up

Of course anybody with state sponsored mangled appendages is barred from collecting benefits..... if he could even get there to collect them Smile
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

12 months suspended? It seems implausible that he wasn't already in breach of some previous final-definite-I-mean-it-this-time-sonny-Jim warning.

Just put him away for a decade and see if he's calmed down a bit when he gets out. His estate will thank you.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair on the criminal justice system, a for a brain-dead moron a "Thinking Skills Programme" will probably be as painful as a hot soldering iron to the genitals would be to the rest of us.
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PostPosted: 02:00 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consider that one of the purposes of a sentence is to make sure the offender doesnt do it again. Just locking someone away or resorting to corporal punishment does little to address the rate of reoffending. It is cheaper and more effective in most cases to use educational techniques to help someone reengage with society.

Of course the other purposes are to protect society, provide sufficien retribution that both the victim and society feel better, and to provide a deterrent. Again, the deterrent effect is minimal to somome on the edges of society.

Of course most effective and cheapest way of reducing crime is helping disaffected youths engage with society with targeted interventions, youth groups (yep scouts, cadets, football teams) and other community based schemes. All the things that have no funding.

When i was little, my mum (who works (indirectly) for God) was very involved in schemes for at risk kids in the area the church sent her to. Of course this meant i learnt all kinds of dubious skills from the local wildlife. I met then, and was reunited with maybe 8 years later at university, the person who would become the bassist in a reasonably successful band. I didn't really get the why of doing what she did then, it took many late night drinking sessions to get my bass player's story, which given where we are the other side of 30 seems to be relatively successful.

Anecdotes i know. But the amount of stuff that can be done with the same amount of money it costs to imprison somone is immense. Did anyone notice funding for this kind of stuff has evaporated?
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grr666 wrote:
They should spend the money wasted on all that forehead patting and spend it on offshore sinking prisons in the
North sea. The only thing that puts people off of doing crime is death.
And lobotomising the Judges.

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PostPosted: 08:54 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

talkToTheHat wrote:
But the amount of stuff that can be done with the same amount of money it costs to imprison somone is immense.

An hour a week explaining to him that being bad makes people sad, so don't be bad, mkay? might reduce his offending. 168 hours a week in B wing guarantees it.

If you lived on this recidivist scrote's street, which would you prefer?
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't care less if the only problem was riding a 25mph moped without a licence in a normal manner and if I was going to be provocative I would put more blame on the police for inciting the situation.

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Anecdotes i know. But the amount of stuff that can be done with the same amount of money it costs to imprison somone is immense. Did anyone notice funding for this kind of stuff has evaporated?


Why is prison so expensive when it's little more than a load of cells where people are stuck for most of the day and a handful of inmates take care of general duties for peanuts?
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Because millions are spent on rehabilitation staff.
When pennies could be spent on a big stick instead.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undinist wrote:
This geezer in Colchester rode his [unlicensed, unroadworthy, uninsured] moped at young children on the pavement when he was trying to escape the Polis.

Jmon wrote:
Couldn't care less if the only problem was riding a 25mph moped without a licence in a normal manner

Depends on your expectation of "normal" for a moped, I guess.
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The big stick approach does not work, that's a long ago proven fact. If you want any evidence just look at countries that have capitol punishment, and the death sentence, are the crime rates lower in those countries, no, serious crime is generally higher.

A lot of re-offenders want to be in prison, its better than being on the streets.

You MIGHT reduce petty crime such as snatching a handbag, or nicking a DVD from HMV if it was an automatic 5 year prison sentence, or a public flogging. However the prison system would never cope, and the argument is that the train of thought of the perpetrator would be" if I am risking 5 years in prison, I may as well go for bust and take weapon, empty the tills, and get as much as possible"

Wanting offenders to suffer with punishments or death penalties is a lot more about the victim feeling vengeance, or society feeling vengeance, than actually solving the problem of crime in the first place.

The biggest problems with the justice system (apart from funding) as far as I see it is a lack of consistency, and punishments that do not fit the crime. Prison sentence for speeding, community service for GBH, how does that seem right?

Anti-social behavior is far too complicated for the police to deal with, and probably has the widest reaching affect on general law abiding folk than any other crime, I am sure a lot could be done to give more power to tackle this.

That doesn't mean that more and more heinous punishments are going to reduce the crime rate though.

There will always be some that need locking up permanently as they just cannot be helped, or do not want to be helped, whichever. However rehabilitation and education is the only way to actually tackle the reasons for crime, its a long term solution though, generations long.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bladeblaster wrote:
A lot of re-offenders want to be in prison, its better than being on the streets.

For them and us.

bladeblaster wrote:
the prison system would never cope

Well, not with that attitude.

If you'd been mugged or burgled or your bike had been nicked, would you be so concerned about the costs of depriving the culprit of the opportunity to come back for a second bite?
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuffin Nora wrote:
grr666 wrote:
They should spend the money wasted on all that forehead patting and spend it on offshore very slow sinking prisons in the
North sea. The only thing that puts people off of doing crime is a long slow death.
And lobotomising the Judges.

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Wanting offenders to suffer with punishments or death penalties is a lot more about the victim feeling vengeance, or society feeling vengeance, than actually solving the problem of crime in the first place.

Reintroducing the death penalty would certainly solve the problem of current reoffending rates. Wink
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Reintroducing the death penalty would certainly solve the problem of current reoffending rates. Wink


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If said scrote lived in my street, i'd be worried about someone putting him through my bay window and damaging my antique sewing machines, and the mic stands and breaker bar that live near the door. It's the scrotes from elsewhere that are a problem. Only the really stupid raid their own street.

Dealt with my own share of muggings and break-ins. It's great fun having a room full of swords partway through being cleaned and a burglar that is somewhat bloodied and trying to convince skeptical police that you hit the scrote with a hardback textbook and the size 4 girl took him out with a piece of lighting rig. Student households are strange. Pro tip, don't come into house full of musicians, fencers, living historians and engineers armed with a pocket knife and a bad attitude.

And don't come at me with a tree branch and a bad attitude and expect to keep your teeth. I lost my glasses in that one. The 999 call was embarassing.

Self defence aside, i'd far rather money was spent now on fixing social issues that are first indications of criminal behaviour than dealing with the effects years later. Read something on criminology. Tim Newburn is probably a good place to start. Or consult a criminoligist. I'm not one but my pet law student is currently too busy doing harley impressions to consult on reading.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:

^^^ Right here we have the cost of removing any tangible discipline from UK schools over the last 30 years.
A lot of these wrong uns would have been cured with a little slap when they were kids but oh no that's cruel etc etc.


I know data isn't the plural of anecdote, but of my friends and family, there are several households that have issues with people committing crimes or abusing various substances, or both. One common factor in those households is that the parents were willing to give their kids a little slap when they were young. Not a beating etc, just a regular 70s/80s/90s parenting style correction of behavior. The overwhelming majority of my friends and family are decent, honest folk without any form of criminal record and none of them so much as received a clip round the ear as a child (this has featured as a topic of conversation regularly over a pint as we put the world to rights). Considering I grew up on a council estate so deprived it featured on a channel 4 documentary, it's not like we had a fantastic start in life. Yet those of us raised by parents who taught us right and wrong, without the need to give us a smack are doing fine (several degrees, a bank manager, a GP, a lawyer and a teacher to name a few of the successes among us), those that were raised the "right way" with a little smack every now and then are still in the same cess-pit, shoplifting to feed their habit or else on benefits and filling their houses with a never ending stream of hi-tech gadgets from brighthouse.

Maybe it's as much to do with impulse control and intelligence. Those of us with parents who were able to control their anger and reason with us were able to raise offspring who have similar traits, thus giving us the guidance we need to set off on the right foot. Those that lack this form of self control (the control needed not to give your child a clip round the ear) are the ones who see something, want it and steal it rather than go through the process of hard work... Thus passing this trait onto their offspring.


(please note I've used an unusually broad brush to make these sweeping statements, there are exceptions within my friends and family, but there is certainly a general trend).
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Undinist wrote:
This geezer in Colchester rode his [unlicensed, unroadworthy, uninsured] moped at young children on the pavement when he was trying to escape the Polis.

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Couldn't care less if the only problem was riding a 25mph moped without a licence in a normal manner

Depends on your expectation of "normal" for a moped, I guess.


On the balance of probabilities he does look like a ped-ned but for the sake of the argument was he riding around on pavements before coming across the police and how much stock should we take of a news article?

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The only one that matters there is roadworthiness which could be the common sense meaning of the word or a trivial mot failure instead.

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Reintroducing the death penalty would certainly solve the problem of current reoffending rates.


Death to everyone breaking the speed limit!!
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

So who'd be left to read teff's essays if that were the case?
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PostPosted: 07:12 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmon wrote:
how much stock should we take of a news article?

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The only one that matters there is roadworthiness which could be the common sense meaning of the word or a trivial mot failure instead.



If course they matter. It builds a picture of blatant disregard.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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for the sake of the argument was he riding around on pavements before coming across the police

I'm hardly the biggest cheerleader for road policing, and try to avoid moralfoggitry about paperwork offences. If you want to do a runner, well, best of luck, just don't endanger others when you do so.

And that's where he crossed the line. I know, rozzers, CPS, judge and press are all lying, it was proper unfair, he was fitted up, he'd just swapped his not-stolen PlayStation for the ped, he was totally just about to take it for an MOT and get all the proper training and that, legit. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Scrote on moped sentenced to a Thinking Skills Programme Reply with quote

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Does it work? I've had a google but couldn't find any evidence.

Google-scholar is a good place to look, I found this: https://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/publications/research-and-analysis/moj-research/eval-enhanced-thinking-skills-prog.pdf
Needless to say it's of Teff proportions, but the gist of it seems to be that the programme works a bit. People who complete the course are about six percent less likely to re-offend within a year.
Hardly an earth shattering achievement I'd say, and I can't see it having much effect on someone with twenty-five previous in a mere twenty-four years of life.

I suspect sentences like this have way more to do with the cost and availability of prison cells than criminal justice, fair retribution or public safety.
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