How much to install a replacement boiler?

[Oldie]

I have an 8 year old boiler in my two bed flat. It kept failing to ignite so an engineer was called out who suspects that a recent flood in the flat upstairs has let water into it.

Repair cost estimated at £1500!

Looks like a new boiler costs around a grand so how much more to fit? Surely cant be a lot more than the repair quote?

Help..............

[Pete.]

What make of boiler? That's a replacement cost not a repair. That guy is having your pants down I bet it's nothing more than the flue sensor or one of the NTC's. Even if it's the main board it wouldn't cost £1500
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[Oldie]

Cheers Pete, its a Reno Johnson & Starley. The flat has gas central heating and two shower rooms. I think that its a "system boiler" rather than a combi. We have an immerser tank, not sure why, so presumably we have to stick with that.

[Pete.]

Ah, gotcha. A system boiler is similar to a combi but without the on-demand function.

The manufacturer site holds some manuals, for example https://www.johnsonandstarley.co.uk/downloads/ZZ1186.pdf

Page 29 shows clearances for the ignition electrodes. That would be my first port of call.
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[Rogerborg]

[Oldie]

Just gone onto website with local installers and asked for a few quotes,so time will tell. Yes, I suspected that labour will be expensive.

[angryjonny]

I had a Johnson & Starley warm air & water unit replaced in my last house, like for like. Neighbourhood of 2500 quid.

A friend has just had a more orthodox boiler replaced for £3500, only a fraction of which was the cost of the unit itself. Had to have a soakaway dug for condensed water, amongst other things. System flush. It mounts up.

The heat exchanger went on our 30-month-old boiler last month. The engineer who fixed it reckoned if we hadn't had a service plan in place it would have been a 1200 quid job. Modern heating systems are made of string and cheese.

[Diggs]

Maybe its because I live oop north, but those quotes seem a tad on the high side. I agree with Pete - check gap first. Our Baxi combi became intermittent and turned out all it needed was the electrodes heating up and bending out.

The next thing I'd look at is the PCB. Have a look on't net for the cost of a new one - you'll be surprised at how little they cost in comparison with the repair quote.
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[Oldie]

The repair guy has now quoted for a new boiler - £2640 including VAT. That might be the way to go although I had another firm round today for a second quote but I guess they will be close. A third guy, without seeing the job told me £3k ish.

[LustyLew]

[iooi]

[Oldie]

Yep, thanks for that. I've already contacted my insurance company and one of the quotes is coming from the people they tend to use (I know this as they already paid up for other work caused by the water ingress).

I think that I do have a sound case but you never know

Thanks for pointing it out though.

[panrider_uk]

I'm just looking into replacing my combi boiler.

Had a BG engineer round to fix the existing one and asked him about replacements.

He reckons a straightforward combi-combi swap shouldn't take more than 2-3 hours labour.

Its only slice pipes, mount new boiler, refit pipes and commission after all.

What's the hourly rate for Gas-Safe plumbers these days?

BG are going to ring me with a quote tomorrow. Will post back with their price.
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[TheArchitect]

Last September I had a full system replacement. New boiler (Vailant) and new copper piping all round the house. I used to have the old plastic pipes. Boiler, parts and labour came to approx £3600.

Not sure if this is a good deal or not but I was desperate as boiler died and winter fast approaching so settled for the best of two quotes.
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[Pete.]

British Gas pri we are out of this world expensive. I had them quote to replace my combo, the boiler costs about 1250 the total bill was knocking on 4K. I kicked him out and used his quote as a tea coaster for a while.
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[iooi]

[Pete.]

Quite, then they'll tell you (rightly) that the electrical isolator has to be within 1.2m (iirc) of the boiler, which they will do but it'll cost you £80-odd for a part p electrician for half a day. What they don't tell you is that the guy fitting the boiler already is a part p electrician, but you have to pay the extra for him to touch the wires.

Oh and you need a frost protection kit if your boiler is not within the heated area of the house. Never mind that in the 28yrs since you've lived in the property without ever having a freeze-up (my boiler is in the rear porch) they won't fit the boiler unless you agree to pay for the kit.

Then there's the digital timer (£100 extra). I said I'll just stick with the old analogue type. Oh, no they don't do analogue for that boiler. So I go online and sure as shit there's an analogue timer for a quarter of the cost. Aah, but we don't stock them, only the £100 digital ones. I ended up getting a far-superior wireless 7-day programmable timer myself for 50 quid from plumbase.

Especially after he bragged that they fit 100,000 boilers a year and then went on to quote me above list price for the unit itself, I had enough and told him to pack up and leave.

Yeah, British Gas can get and do one as far as I'm concerned.
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[Al]

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try ebay, seriously

our old glow-worm went tits up last november, BG came out and condemned it for free, glow-worm charged £80, judging by this and another local estimate it was time to replace

got a vaillant fitted for £1200 cash from a guy advertising on ebay, he checked out as qualified and the boiler came certified and guaranteed

took him about 6-7 hours removing old and installing new, as it was a different make the pipes were all in the wrong place but I wanted the vaillant as everyone I spoke to recommended them and glow-worm had been crap quality and expensive repairs

if it helps anyone he;s in halesowen zazgas.co.uk
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[panrider_uk]

[panrider_uk]

Well BG gave me a quote.

Swapping my old boiler for a Worcester Bosch 30i and including 1 years Home Care cover.

£1899

I have Home Care cover so that is worth £300 to me, effectively making it a cost of £1599.

I was pleasantly surprised and am awaiting an installation date.
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[Al]

Sounds like a decent price if you want the BG cover. Maybe yours is one of those perfect boiler swaps that I never seem to get where they know everything is in the right place.
BG quotes seem to be a bit all over the place, it probably depends how picky the person quoting is, some will insist that the system is power flushed, controls, radiators ect are upgraded whilst some will probably just quote for a straight swap.
I think I'm charged out at £45ph but a sole trader would probably be a bit cheaper, They spend a bit of time registering the boiler with gas safe afterwards and you'd need to allow a small amount for pipe and fittings. We always fit magnetic filters as well which can be another 80 or 90 quid.
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[panrider_uk]

I had a power flush a couple of years ago and have already got a magnetic filter fitted so that may have reduced the price.
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