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LustyLew
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Box Junctions Reply with quote
According to the Highway Code:

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You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right.


If the road is blocked by stationary traffic so turning right is impossible, you are committing an offence by entering it.

Yes or No?

Was having a delightful discussion with an Addision Lee driver who was telling me in a 'menacing' manner to "watch out"... I always do, their driving is appalling. Perhaps he's a relative of Ronnie Pickering! Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why are you getting stuck anywhere? There was no gap big enough to get through?
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh there was, but most of the junction was blocked by said Addison Lee driver.

I managed to get by, but he too exception to me 'taking his space'...
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is Lahnden yea? Ever notice how the buses nonchalantly block these junctions too? I always wondered if they were immune from prosecution..
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
TFL are above the law in all aspects.

Weh nI asked why the TFL owned bus lane over London Bridge was Buses and cycles only, I was told for 'safety reasons'. So you have the most vulnerable road user group with one of the most dangerous... Yeah, thick as pig shit cunts.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Addison Lee drivers.... Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Twisted Evil They are awful. If it makes you feel any better, I saw 2 of them whinging/raging that they got cut up on tuesday down the A4...Karma is wonderful.

And regards the box junction, do not enter unless you can exit.....Simple!
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
LustyLew wrote:
TFL are above the law in all aspects.

Weh nI asked why the TFL owned bus lane over London Bridge was Buses and cycles only, I was told for 'safety reasons'. So you have the most vulnerable road user group with one of the most dangerous... Yeah, thick as pig shit cunts.


It's like that all over Norwich, you have to wiggle your way between lanes of standstill traffic with cars difting from side to side whilst a bus lane right beside you sits empty 90% of the time.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Al wrote:
It's like that all over Norwich, you have to wiggle your way between lanes of standstill traffic with cars difting from side to side whilst a bus lane right beside you sits empty 90% of the time.


Little consolation I know, but when I used to drive buses around norwich (up and down newmarket and earlham roads) I frequently brought up the fact that we should kick bicycles out of the bus lane and let motorcycles in as I'd much rather share a bus lane with a vehicle that can travel as fast as me, has undergone at least the basic minimum of road training and by law has to wear a piece of safety equipment. Never even had so much as a response thanking me for my suggestion from the council. Not sure they were that keen on the idea. If it wasn't for the fact I've got quite a calm head on my shoulders I'd probably have lost my job for decking the cyclists who squeeze past a stationary bus and then hold it up doing 7mph the entire length of newmarket road, thereby making the whole point of the bus lane redundant. In fact, outside of rush hours, it was often quicker to drive with the main flow rather than traipse behind the UEA hipsters cycling their retro pushbikes from eaton to the centre.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sooooooo, you enter box junction, waiting to turn right. There is traffic there but enough room for 3 cars.

Trouble is, whilst you were waiting to turn right, 3 cars from opposite direction have turned left and taken what was the space you were aiming for.

Lights turn red, you are stuck in junction. Fine? I am assuming so.
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Poseidon wrote:

Little consolation I know, but when I used to drive buses around norwich (up and down newmarket and earlham roads) I frequently brought up the fact that we should kick bicycles out of the bus lane and let motorcycles in as I'd much rather share a bus lane with a vehicle that can travel as fast as me, has undergone at least the basic minimum of road training and by law has to wear a piece of safety equipment. Never even had so much as a response thanking me for my suggestion from the council. Not sure they were that keen on the idea. If it wasn't for the fact I've got quite a calm head on my shoulders I'd probably have lost my job for decking the cyclists who squeeze past a stationary bus and then hold it up doing 7mph the entire length of newmarket road, thereby making the whole point of the bus lane redundant. In fact, outside of rush hours, it was often quicker to drive with the main flow rather than traipse behind the UEA hipsters cycling their retro pushbikes from eaton to the centre.


That new bus lane up Grapes hill must be one of the worst now, even a fit cyclist is going to be moving at a very slow speed and with the normally standstill traffic in the other lanes the bus has no chance of overtaking.
I've never really understood why taxi's are allowed to use the bus lanes but not motorbikes. With the small amount of motorbikes about it's hardly likely to block the bus lanes up.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Minty wrote:
Sooooooo, you enter box junction, waiting to turn right. There is traffic there but enough room for 3 cars.

Trouble is, whilst you were waiting to turn right, 3 cars from opposite direction have turned left and taken what was the space you were aiming for.

Lights turn red, you are stuck in junction. Fine? I am assuming so.



Lights turn red, traffic coming from the opposite direction stops (leaving box clear), then you turn tight.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Al wrote:
That new bus lane up Grapes hill must be one of the worst now, even a fit cyclist is going to be moving at a very slow speed and with the normally standstill traffic in the other lanes the bus has no chance of overtaking.
I've never really understood why taxi's are allowed to use the bus lanes but not motorbikes. With the small amount of motorbikes about it's hardly likely to block the bus lanes up.


Can't say I experienced it. I left norfolk a couple of years back. I'm with you on the motorbikes as well, but everyone loves to hate us.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Poseidon wrote:
Al wrote:
It's like that all over Norwich, you have to wiggle your way between lanes of standstill traffic with cars difting from side to side whilst a bus lane right beside you sits empty 90% of the time.


Little consolation I know, but when I used to drive buses around norwich (up and down newmarket and earlham roads) I frequently brought up the fact that we should kick bicycles out of the bus lane and let motorcycles in as I'd much rather share a bus lane with a vehicle that can travel as fast as me, has undergone at least the basic minimum of road training and by law has to wear a piece of safety equipment. Never even had so much as a response thanking me for my suggestion from the council. Not sure they were that keen on the idea. If it wasn't for the fact I've got quite a calm head on my shoulders I'd probably have lost my job for decking the cyclists who squeeze past a stationary bus and then hold it up doing 7mph the entire length of newmarket road, thereby making the whole point of the bus lane redundant. In fact, outside of rush hours, it was often quicker to drive with the main flow rather than traipse behind the UEA hipsters cycling their retro pushbikes from eaton to the centre.

I once asked why advisory cycle lanes were put inside bus lanes often enough to get an answer. After listening to about 5 min of waffle I eventually worked out the paraphrase answer - "It's a way to put down n miles of cycling infrastructure without spending any money". Yeah t's about box ticking regardless of how moronically stupid and unsafe it is. And as with all bullshit box ticking exercises if a cyclist decides not to use the marked "infrastructure" due to its inherently dangerous design you'll endure the wrath of of Mr. cock in car.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Parson wrote:
Minty wrote:
Sooooooo, you enter box junction, waiting to turn right. There is traffic there but enough room for 3 cars.

Trouble is, whilst you were waiting to turn right, 3 cars from opposite direction have turned left and taken what was the space you were aiming for.

Lights turn red, you are stuck in junction. Fine? I am assuming so.



Lights turn red, traffic coming from the opposite direction stops (leaving box clear), then you turn tight.


"Trouble is, whilst you were waiting to turn right, 3 cars from opposite direction have turned left and taken what was the space you were aiming for."
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
What is an Addison Lee driver? Sounds like a brand of jeans.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
What is an Addison Lee driver? Sounds like a brand of jeans.


Someone without knowledge of indicators and general roadcraft usually in a black prius / generic people carrier operating as a cab service for the loutish piss heads with money to burn.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
phatstorage wrote:

Someone without knowledge of indicators and general roadcraft usually in a black prius / generic people carrier operating as a cab service for the loutish piss heads with money to burn.


So a minicab driver?
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Minicab / courier / drug dealer. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
phatstorage wrote:

Someone without knowledge of indicators and general roadcraft usually in a black prius / generic people carrier operating as a cab service for the loutish piss heads with money to burn.


So a minicab driver?


Yes but worser.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
<trigger warning - many many many pedalist vlogs>

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=addison+lee+driver
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
What is an Addison Lee driver? Sounds like a brand of jeans.


At least one Addison Lee driver is a bit of a wanker Smile


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/addison-lee-taxi-driver-filmed-7336783
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
69.9mph wrote:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/addison-lee-taxi-driver-filmed-7336783

Not-a-vigilant pedalist wrote:
I started filming on the roads after I was knocked off my bike six or seven times.

I don’t describe myself as a vigilante. I do not go out looking for incidents to report, but every time I use my bike I take four cameras with me.


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PostPosted: 10:42 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
"I will report you for looking at pornography on the road while you are in command of a vehicle!”

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PostPosted: 11:13 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
What is an Addison Lee driver? Sounds like a brand of jeans.


Addison Lee kind of took over the London minicab market a decade or so, ago. They flooded the streets with (what is it? 6- or 8-person?) - anyway: multi-person vehicles (Ford Galaxy, I believe are the offending vehicles), and despite the MPV nature of the vehicles, often there is only ever one person in them. Certainly there are rarely at maximum capacity. Their alternative mode of transporting their passengers is by Toyota Prius execu-cars OR Mercedes.

The reputation of being a worse driver than that of a traditional Hackney Carriage taxi comes from the high percentage of arrogant "Asian" (Edit: actually, culture/race really doesn't even come into it: they're almost all arrogant cunts ...) drivers who give no quarter to any other vehicle due to the size of their own vehicle.

I was in the middle of applying for my PCO licence last year and did actually plan to work for Addison Lee (LOL) cos I fancied myself driving about London in one of their executive Mercs. But (after having paid an arm and a leg to the PCO for the licensing applicaton) the Home Office stymied that plan, by faffing me about with my "Indefinite Leave" (after more than 30 years) ...

Interestingly, Uber have now taken over so much of the business that Addison Lee are desperate for drivers. I suspect Addy Lee drivers moonlight with Uber, although not sure how they get away with it.

(Fortunately, my life has meanwhile taken another much more interesting turn in a new office job).

But the ubiquitous Addy Lee MPV drivers continue to be the bane of every single other road user, including buses.

(Side note: Addy-Lee Merc drivers seem to not be nearly as arrogant and bombastic ... or it might just be my perception cos one of my bloke's mates drives one Laughing )
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Aside from that, I thought the rule was "if you anticipate that your route will be clear before the lights change, you can enter the yellow box"

... or something like that.

You have to use your judgment as to whether you genuinely believe the flow of traffic will enable you to exit the yellow box before the lights change against you, i.e., you expect to be able to turn into a clear road OR move forward in a straight line out of the yellow box before (or indeed just-as) the lights change.

Problem is, everybody in London is so constantly enraged that their judgment becomes clouded Rolling Eyes
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