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chappy
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: help needed to get home Reply with quote

Hi there just done a quick oil and oil filter change on zx6r 99 MODEL After work . Drained oil took off oil filter filled new filter with oil then filled the bike up with new oil . Started the bike put on my gear to ride home .

I tried to put it in 1st and it was really slow thick and spongy to change so went to put back in neutral and again slow and spongy feel and feels like in top gear . So it basically feels like I got two gear one down and back up what's not neutral it's last as won't go up any more I can get it back in neutral after gentle taps but can't ride home on motorway with 2 gears ... help please need to get home ..
Ps oil is silkolene pro 4 10w-40 . It was on ebay as zx6r g2 service oil for my year .. first time used it ..
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: oil Reply with quote

Hi , when you changed the oil , you said you filled the oil filter and then the engine , did you check the oil level afterwards , what I`m thinking is have you put too much or too little in, could have toasted the clutch , try adjusting the clutch cable to see if it gives you any options
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just tried it down road and it changes into second but really slow spongy and stiff and that it won't change up any more . So I got 1st and 2nd gear ... is it the new oil
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chappy
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bike was empty of oil .. with the filter off and new one on it needs 4 liters otherwise 3.6 . So I put some in oil filter and rest of the 4lt bottle in bike so it got the right amount in . I've done this service every few months with putoline oil rockoil now tried the silkolene never a problem before but they were semi this one's fully simfectic is this problem, have I been sold the wrong product ..
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: oil Reply with quote

Seems the right weight of oil ,what did you have in prior, and has clutch adjustment at the grip done any good
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: oil Reply with quote

sorry just saw that you had rock oil in previous could be a reaction with the rock oil and the fully synthetic on the clutch plates
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The oils will not interfere with each other, they're compatible (like pretty much all oil is). You also used the correct oil. The problem is not with the oil. Chances are you knocked something to do with the clutch or gearshift while you were working on it.

Let it warm up and see if it starts behaving.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why did you need to do this at work? I would never do this incase something went wrong.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What else did you remove to get at the oil drain plug/filler/filter?

It'll be around here somewhere. no way "wrong" oil would affect gear changing like that. Assuming it was working normally before, something is interfering with your shift linkage and/or clutch.

No signs of the bike being knocked over then put back on its stand while it was parked up?

The only circumstance I am aware of that oil can physically react is if you mix mineral oil and vegetable oil.

If you were using a vegetable based engine oil, you'd know all about it.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: oil Reply with quote

Just a thought you said you put on a new filter could be a problem with air locking , have you tried "burping" it , see on line for how to do it
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure you removed the sump plug?

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PostPosted: 10:59 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Git Racing wrote:
Are you sure you removed the sump plug?

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This... I'm not sure about your model but maybe there is a bolt on the bottom of the casing that holds the sectors in place or something like ?
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I just got the zx9r and took it for a test ride and changing gear was like trying to move the lever through molasses.... I rode it a few miles like this then left it parked up overnight. The next day I was worried about taking it for it's MOT because of this, but the gears started working normally.... then the clutch cable snapped soon after
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Git Racing wrote:
Are you sure you removed the sump plug?

OGR


This.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found this, might be helpful

https://www.themcdonalds.net/richard/index.php?title=ZX-6R_Maintenance:_Oil_and_Filter_Change
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

needed to leve the bike at a friends as till monday . yes i removed the sump plug thats how i draind the oil . as said iv done this oil and filter change over and over again over the years with this bike its realy is a simple job and nerver a problem before .
the only diffrence is the oil is diffrent this time and i nerver needed to blupe the oil filter .

normaly when i start the bike after a oil and filter change the oil light stays on so i have to remove the filter and blupe some oil out this sorts the light but this time the light went strait out no bluping needed .. could this be the problem i need to remove the filter as got air in system !!! .

ps clutch or gear lever or nothing els on the bike was touched or knocked just filled with oil started then put in gear and noticed gear problem
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: oil Reply with quote

Hi no need to take the oil filter off , get the bike on a stand , start the engine , have a rag ready and while the engine is running slowly undo the oil filter till you get a tiny dribble from the seal and retighten , but undo very slowly as you could dislodge the oil seal , the least amount will do as you only trying to get air out if theres any in there , as your probably aware its a problem with oil changes. Take a look at this
https://www.kawiforums.com/how-tos-faqs/41248-burping-your-baby-after-oil-change-11.html
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chappy wrote:


ps clutch or gear lever or nothing els on the bike was touched or knocked just filled with oil started then put in gear and noticed gear problem


So you managed to remove the old filter and fit a new one without removing any bodywork?
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 21 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah the zx6r was street fighterd before i bought it so no body work i can get strait to the filter and the oil sump easy ,the tank is the only thing i need to remove when i work on bike and this was not needed .

so only thing i done was started it took it for quick spin to warm up oil let it sat 10 mins then removed sump let it drain for hour and removed oil filter, oiled the filter then put on new k&n filter done up sump and filled with new oil let it sat half hour then startd bike oil light came on so just about to blupe oil filter when light went off self .

when i put it into 1st i felt gear lever was slow and spongy strait away so i new sank was wrong .
on idel standing still it changes in to first then back neutral wont go up any more when i took it for spin down road it changes into 1st and second but no more and it hard changing between gears with some fause neutrals ..
it must be air in the system or this oil as i commute daily on bike 60 miles motorway and not a problem till i change the oil
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 21 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I'm translating your eeeenglish right then I doubt your problem is related to the oil change. It's sank something else.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 21 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

monkeybiker wrote:
Why did you need to do this at work? I would never do this incase something went wrong.


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PostPosted: 17:44 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi quick update bike running fine now . It was the dam oil filter needed to blup the oil filter twice . First time was great improvement second Evan better . Teaches me to cut corners for quickness . Thanks to Billy bob and the others who was helpful.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Burping Reply with quote

Hi matey , glad you got it sorted , hope it does`nt happen again
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What mechanism was in play to stop gear selection in these circumstances?
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday when I was going to work I found it very difficult to change gears again (would go in to first, difficult to find neutral, had to get my whole foot under the gear lever and use my heel to kick the lever up in to second etc).... then I remembered that I had to spray some WD40 around/behind the bolt with the allen key (after someone from this site recommended something similar):
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QW6hOAsoe8k/maxresdefault.jpg
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