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oliverpetrie
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 28 Feb 2016    Post subject: Battery will just not hold charge!!!! Reply with quote

So I made a post a month ago about my Peugeot Speedfight 3 50cc not moving. The dilemma was that the pilot jets were too small, and not allowing enough fuel in meaning the bike wouldnt take off. This has been fixed now Razz

However!

When we bought the bike we got it home, started it and thought that the battery had just lost its charge. We bought a new battery and thought nothing of it. Bam. The battery lost charge in a matter of hours. We took it into the "bike medic" and which he changed the rectifier/regulator and told us that the flywheel and the stator needed changing, which we did ourselves. After removing the old flywheel and stator (which the copper wires inside were split) we put the new one back in and fired it up. The charge on this lasted a couple of days, so we took the battery back and got a new one.

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With the battery being fully charged, it has lasted about 7 days before dying, which is quite strange. We have replaced everything with new parts on the battery end (new battery, new rectifier/regulator, new flywheel and a new stator) but we can't just figure out what it could be! Any helpful tips and suggestions are welcome as I should have been out on the road a while back but the battery dilemma has prevented me from being out Crying or Very sad

Many thanks, Oliver
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 28 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Battery will just not hold charge!!!! Reply with quote

oliverpetrie wrote:
Battery fucked


Have you checked the level of water in the battery? YOu can buy distilled (de-ionised) water for about £2
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 28 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Battery will just not hold charge!!!! Reply with quote

oliverpetrie wrote:
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You need more atleast 300 more "!", that'll sort it.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 28 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this time and money you've put in, did it include 5 minutes with a £5 multimeter?

What are your battery voltage readings cold, and with the engine idling, and revving?
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 28 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Battery will just not hold charge!!!! Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Have you checked the level of water in the battery? YOu can buy distilled (de-ionised) water for about £2


Yeah, the battery is full with the fluid it came with
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 28 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
All this time and money you've put in, did it include 5 minutes with a £5 multimeter?

What are your battery voltage readings cold, and with the engine idling, and revving?


We've measured the voltages and it's about right, Dad is an electrician so thats a bonus...
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 28 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

oliverpetrie wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
All this time and money you've put in, did it include 5 minutes with a £5 multimeter?

What are your battery voltage readings cold, and with the engine idling, and revving?


We've measured the voltages and it's about right, Dad is an electrician so thats a bonus...


An auto electrician? Or a domestic one? I wouldn't necessarily expect the latter to know much about the vageries of motorcycle charging systems. Most motorcycle mechanics are pretty sketchy on it.

When you say it's not holding a charge for 7 days. Is the bike being used in that time?

If it's standing doing nothing and the battery is going flat, you have a current leakage problem.

If it's being ridden in that time, you have a charging system problem.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 28 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask your Dad how many volts it was when revved.
Not saying your Dad isn't cool but some electricians can be right nobby-knowalls.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 28 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


When you say it's not holding a charge for 7 days. Is the bike being used in that time?

If it's standing doing nothing and the battery is going flat, you have a current leakage problem.

If it's being ridden in that time, you have a charging system problem.


These questions need answering.

Also, how old is the bike and is there any corrosion on it?
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Undinist"]
stinkwheel wrote:


When you say it's not holding a charge for 7 days. Is the bike being used in that time?

If it's standing doing nothing and the battery is going flat, you have a current leakage problem.

If it's being ridden in that time, you have a charging system problem.


The bike was used 2 out of 7 of those days, the rest it was sat there doing nothing
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
Ask your Dad how many volts it was when revved.
Not saying your Dad isn't cool but some electricians can be right nobby-knowalls.


If I remember it was about 11-12v
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undinist wrote:

These questions need answering.

Also, how old is the bike and is there any corrosion on it?


The bike is a 12 reg and is 4 years old, no corrosion either
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

oliverpetrie wrote:
Howling Terror wrote:
Ask your Dad how many volts it was when revved.
Not saying your Dad isn't cool but some electricians can be right nobby-knowalls.


If I remember it was about 11-12v

So it isn't charging, you should be seeing more than that on a stand alone fully charged battery.
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carvel wrote:

So it isn't charging, you should be seeing more than that on a stand alone fully charged battery.


Well the battery goes onto the bike fully charged, the stator and regulator rectifier has been changed too, so all things are working, its just a case of what isnt working...
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, have you checked the AC output of the stator? You can do that with the stator unplugged, bike running. Do any connections look all melty or coroded? I had a bike whos stator connections felt very warm due to the corrosion of the pins, and that bike was very poorly electrical wise, it didn't charge and ate its rectifiers for brekky.

If it's only showing 11-12V with a few revs on then it isn't charging, needs to be up nearer 13.5-14V.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

oliverpetrie wrote:
Howling Terror wrote:
Ask your Dad how many volts it was when revved.
Not saying your Dad isn't cool but some electricians can be right nobby-knowalls.


If I remember it was about 11-12v


So forget that and come back with some real figures.

V when not running
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Does the bike have a alarm or anything like that?
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Does the bike have a alarm or anything like that?
Nah nothing apart from a Car Lighter socket under the seat?
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

oliverpetrie wrote:
Nah nothing apart from a Car Lighter socket under the seat?


Do you leave anything attached to it when the bike is parked?
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheap chinky battery? not conditioned
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PostPosted: 04:41 - 01 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's not a cheap and nasty alarm on the bike is there?
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 01 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
All this time and money you've put in, did it include 5 minutes with a £5 multimeter?

What are your battery voltage readings cold, and with the engine idling, and revving?
^ Is always the way to start diagnosing battery problems, there's not much point posting here until you have these figures.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 01 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

oliverpetrie wrote:
iooi wrote:
Does the bike have a alarm or anything like that?
Nah nothing apart from a Car Lighter socket under the seat?


Through a relay or direct to the battery? Is it fused?
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 01 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay so I went into my shed and measured the voltages and whatnot, and it read;

Battery without bike on - 12.5v
Battery with bike on (engine not on) - 11.8v
Battery with bike on (engine on) - 11.6-11.8v
Battery with bike on (engine on and revving) -11.8-11.9v

From reading this thread I know there is something up as my measurements do not match everyone elses. I tried the old Rectifier/Regulator and there were no changes in these voltages.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 01 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

So either the Rectifier/Regulator is fucked or you have wired it up wrong when changing the charging system.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 01 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

andys675 wrote:
cheap chinky battery? not conditioned


Nope Its a Yuasa one :/
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