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el_oso
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: scam? Reply with quote
https://www.gumtree.com/p/honda-motorbikes/-road-registered-honda-msx-125-2013-/1158673293

saw this pop up. 14miles away sounded pretty good. Not quite too good to be true, but a couple of hundred pounds under asking price.

The seller is not in the UK and wants to use an ESCROW service. alarm bells start ringing. CAPauto seems to at least exist as a company. ESCROW services I believe are a FCA regulated product, but am unable to find a reference telling me they are regulated by the FCA.
Is anyone able to convince me it's not a scam?

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Hi, The company can deliver the bike to your address as they are based in Edinburgh. Escrow is a known service, but maybe not for everybody. It's when a third party have to handle a transaction for you, I left the bike with all documentation signed and you will have to transfer the full payment amount in their escrow account which is secured and they will hold it. I understand your concerns of not seeing the bike in real, but you will have 5 days of inspection before you make your decision. Until then the money will be kept in the company's account. After having your decision the company will either pay me if you say yes or give you full refund in less than 24 hrs if you say no. This way the company can protect both of us, you by providing you a technical inspection carried out by them and offering those 5 days of inspection on your own, and me by holding the payment safe until your decision and assuring me the bike will be safe. Please send me your full name, delivery address and phone number I will pass it to the agent, he will contact you, issue an invoice, order a technical inspection and send them to your email. This is the transaction number: CA200124, designated agent name: Tom. Company website: www.capauto-united-kingdom.czechian.net email: info@capauto-united-kingdom.itmsgi.info Thanks, Elle

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PostPosted: 14:50 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lolcano.

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PostPosted: 14:55 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
First impression was it's stolen; too cheap and lack of license plates in photos.

The sellers reply screams scam, it's a pretty standard scam.
Seller isn't in country so sale has to be made via a pretty much untraceable means.
If you question the seller again they will offer to accept a "deposit" with the rest upon receipt of the bike.
The bike will near appear, the seller with vanish and you'll be damn lucky to get any of the money back.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Scam?

Whenever someone asks that, without even reading the post you can be sure that it's a scam. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have 3 magic beans that each will grow into a random colour scheme of MSX.

£1000 in bitcoins and they are yours.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Re: scam? Reply with quote
'Tom' wrote:
Escrow is a known service, but maybe not for everybody.


https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=304407

Previously on BCF 'David' wrote:
Hi, The company can deliver the bike to your address as they are based in Edinburgh. Escrow is a known service, but maybe not for everybody. It's when a third party have to handle a transaction for you, I left the bike with all documentation signed and you will have to transfer the full payment amount in their escrow account which is secured and they will hold it. I understand your concerns of not seeing the bike in real, but you will have 5 days of inspection before you make your decision. Until then the money will be kept in the company's account. After having your decision the company will either pay me if you say yes or give you full refund in less than 24 hrs if you say no. This way the company can protect both of us, you by providing you a technical inspection carried out by them and offering those 5 days of inspection on your own, and me by holding the payment safe until your decision and assuring me the bike will be safe. This is the transaction number: 4LINV11139, designated agent name: David. Company website: www.4logistic-limited-united-kingdom.czechian.net email: info@4logistic-limited-united-kingdom.16mb.com Thanks,


I see "Tom" rather than "David" is handling this transaction.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
If nothing else, this thread has taught me the word "lolcano"

Laughing


and further Google searching.... Shocked

https://www.urbandictionary.com/render_definition.php?defid=1597558
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
There was a white msx the other day for around the same money, i emailed to enquire and got more or less the same tosh.
I reported the advert and it was removed swiftly.

Im actually looking to buy an msx but the prices people are asking are crazy, dont know if there selling at them prices or not but there is no chance i would be paying 2300-2500 for a 2 year old bike with 1-5k on the clock when a local honda dealer is knocking them out for £2500 brand new.

Are people actually getting that sort of money for them or are they just sitting there unsold?
Either way ill hold out for a cheapie as the new model will be out soon and that should drive the price down a little (i hope).
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el_oso
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Scam?

Whenever someone asks that, without even reading the post you can be sure that it's a scam. Wink


I'm certain it's a scam to. I'm just a little confused as to how it works.

I'm also alarmed as this quite sophisticated compared to the usual shit.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Strikeforce wrote:

Are people actually getting that sort of money for them or are they just sitting there unsold?



All the bikes £2k+ are remaining unsold on Ebay. I ar watching regular
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Silver_Fox wrote:
Strikeforce wrote:

Are people actually getting that sort of money for them or are they just sitting there unsold?



All the bikes £2k+ are remaining unsold on Ebay. I ar watching regular


Well thats good to hear!
Im not being a tight git or anything but most people seem to be asking brand new money for a bike thats used and out of warranty, absolute madness.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
No company number given.

Companies house hits for:

CapAUTO (and variants): none
Czechian Network Corporation (and variants): none
LogisticZARIDI (and variants): none

Two hits for Andrew Blachman, neither of them active officers in any company.

Address is:
CAPAuto Ltd Warehouse
Unit 1, West Telferton
Edinburgh, EH7 6UL

https://i.imgur.com/Ct5Qi6W.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/lSSSpo0.png?1

Hits for AUTO SPHERE BODY REPAIRS LIMITED
Active
1 West Telferton, Edinburgh, Midlothian, EH7 6UL
24 March 2014
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el_oso
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Silver_Fox wrote:
Strikeforce wrote:

Are people actually getting that sort of money for them or are they just sitting there unsold?



All the bikes £2k+ are remaining unsold on Ebay. I ar watching regular


I have daily updates firing me an email to anything that is remotely close. I'm not sure how they are holding their value so well. If I find one that's local enough, I'll put a cheeky offer in and hope that there is no other interest and they are desperate to sell.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
el_oso wrote:
I have daily updates firing me an email to anything that is remotely close. I'm not sure how they are holding their value so well.

The two things may not be entirely unrelated.

There's one lives round the corner from me under a cover. It hasn't moved since December. Gumtree, eBay, it's only a matter of time. Drooling
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
No company number given.

Companies house hits for:

CapAUTO (and variants): none
Czechian Network Corporation (and variants): none
LogisticZARIDI (and variants): none

Two hits for Andrew Blachman, neither of them active officers in any company.

Address is:
CAPAuto Ltd Warehouse
Unit 1, West Telferton
Edinburgh, EH7 6UL

https://i.imgur.com/Ct5Qi6W.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/lSSSpo0.png?1

Hits for AUTO SPHERE BODY REPAIRS LIMITED
Active
1 West Telferton, Edinburgh, Midlothian, EH7 6UL
24 March 2014


didn't think to check the streetview.

I've asked the seller to deliver the bike to me so I can test ride it. I've also asked for the company number and asked if they are FCA regulated.
I've also asked for a picture of 'elle' with the V5C.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
"AUTO SPHERE BODY REPAIRS LIMITED" is run by "SOMAROUTHU, Venkata Raja Sekhar" which is more like what I'd expect. Wink

Where is "nira" even claiming that the bike is? London? Edinburgh? Bangalore? Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
The only ones selling have done circa 500 miles and go for around £1750

I really want one. It'll look like a full size bike on me Laughing

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PostPosted: 16:05 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
"AUTO SPHERE BODY REPAIRS LIMITED" is run by "SOMAROUTHU, Venkata Raja Sekhar" which is more like what I'd expect. Wink

Where is "nira" even claiming that the bike is? London? Edinburgh? Bangalore? Laughing


London.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I really really want one aswell, i will look like a massive ape on it tho @ 6ft 16st lol.

I just want one to throw about and it will keep the salt off my other bike.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
el_oso wrote:
I have daily updates firing me an email to anything that is remotely close. I'm not sure how they are holding their value so well.

The two things may not be entirely unrelated.

There's one lives round the corner from me under a cover. It hasn't moved since December. Gumtree, eBay, it's only a matter of time. Drooling


Knock on the owners door with £1500 fresh new scottish pounds
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Strikeforce wrote:
I really really want one aswell, i will look like a massive ape on it tho @ 6ft 16st lol.

I just want one to throw about and it will keep the salt off my other bike.


I'm hoping my one will make to BCF BBQ (if I get one). Think I would rather do it on the MSX than the CBR250 not that the gixxer has gone.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Silver_Fox wrote:
If nothing else, this thread has taught me the word "lolcano"

Laughing


and further Google searching.... Shocked

https://www.urbandictionary.com/render_definition.php?defid=1597558


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PostPosted: 16:56 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
el_oso wrote:
I'm certain it's a scam to. I'm just a little confused as to how it works.

I'm also alarmed as this quite sophisticated compared to the usual shit.

"Please send me your full name, delivery address and phone number I will pass it to the agent, he will contact you, issue an invoice, order a technical inspection and send them to your email."

You'll never hear from them again once you've paid the invoice. I'd expect them to want paying by Western Union or maybe by BACS into a phished UK bank account.
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