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PostPosted: 20:19 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Western powers want to undermine Russia. Rouble attack in May for instance also oil prices.

Qatar has lots of gas/oil. TPTB want to build a gas pipe through Syria. Assad said no. Kinda like the Taliban said no to a gas pipe.

Russians don't want a gas pipe in Syria. So they are putting their money where their mouth is and they are fighting to keep Assad and preventing a pipe being built.

Russia is backed by China. Which is why China's markets are being attacked. China is nuking the US back by dumping treasuries.
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Vincent wrote:
It must take a lot of logistics to secure a gas/oil pipe?


I dunno read about it yourself:

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2008/RAND_MG738.pdf

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“Divide and Rule focuses on exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts. This strategy relies heavily on covert action, information operations (IO), unconventional warfare, and support to indigenous security forces. … the United States and its local allies could use the nationalist jihadists to launch proxy IO campaigns to discredit the transnational jihadists in the eyes of the local populace. … U.S. leaders could also choose to capitalize on the ‘Sustained Shia-Sunni Conflict’ trajectory by taking the side of the conservative Sunni regimes against Shiite empowerment movements in the Muslim world…. possibly supporting authoritative Sunni governments against a continuingly hostile Iran.”


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PostPosted: 21:48 - 10 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
Anyone want to give a run down on who is fighting who and which side we should support this week?


Simplifying it somewhat. There are the Western backed Free Syrian Army fighting the Russian backed Assad Regime. Amongst all of that we have ISIS there also fighting all comers. The Kurdish Peshmurgah are messing around on the Iraq/Syria border. Many of the other countries around the area are throwing in one way or another. Turkey are to the north with their forces along the border.

This is just Syria. There are troubles in Yemen and Afghanistan also. ISIS are setting up satellites in places as far flung as Nigeria with Boko Haram declaring their allegiance to the caliphate. Libya is in chaos and Eritrea is a mess. The Israel/Palestine thing is ongoing as ever with more and more Jewish settlements and walls on Palestinian land and the expected backlash from Hezbollah etc.

So when people say (this is all the fault of the UK/US) this is patently nonsense. We have no choice but to be involved to contain these threats and try and help those escaping.



Yes this is the tldr version.....it's far more complex than this.
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Vincent wrote:
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You can spot [them] from behind quite easily at least, just look out for the box of tissues and tartan blanket on the parcel shelf.


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PostPosted: 17:28 - 11 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
Nah

Western powers want to undermine Russia. Rouble attack in May for instance also oil prices.

Qatar has lots of gas/oil. TPTB want to build a gas pipe through Syria. Assad said no. Kinda like the Taliban said no to a gas pipe.

Russians don't want a gas pipe in Syria. So they are putting their money where their mouth is and they are fighting to keep Assad and preventing a pipe being built.

Russia is backed by China. Which is why China's markets are being attacked. China is nuking the US back by dumping treasuries.


Russia is in a bad way economically. China actually produces stuff so they shouldn't do too badly.
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 12 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
We've (Brits) have been here before. When Britain and France carved up the middle east between them after the first world war. Different regimes would get assisted by Britain and France to screw each other over. It got really twisted when Jews went into an alliance with the Vichy French government to attack British forces who at the time were fighting the Germans. Bizarre shit indeed. Putin action seems pretty straightforward in comparison.
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PostPosted: 02:35 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Wobbly Orange wrote:
So when people say (this is all the fault of the UK/US) this is patently nonsense.


Welllll pretty much kicking the hornets nest aka Saddam's iraq for pretty much no reason, Iraq had no relation to 9/11. And disbanding the police and army there initially has just allowed this vacuum in such a volatile region to fester for the past decade.

So is it all the west's fault? Obviously no, but just destroying iraq and putting it into complete chaos and a breeding ground for extremest groups is a factor.

Afghanistan initially was logical, and the monumental fuck up in calling off the assault on bin laden in tora bora and then invading iraq was all just so pointless. So we have been suffering from Bush's fuckup's for the last 10 years and probably the next 10 to come.

The Wobbly Orange wrote:
We have no choice but to be involved to contain these threats and try and help those escaping.


Do we? the real politic from syria seems obviously supporting the regime and some form of order, even if Assad is despicable. Or rather, we try to make up for the fuck up of arming ISIS and keep drone strikes up on ISIS and let the Russians get on with it, without trying to stall them at every turn.

The only way states seem to survive in that area is strongman dictatorships. Because for democracy to work, first you need liberalism, something that region is utterly lacking. My prediction is we get 3 "new" states out of this, and they are constantly kicking off for the next 10 years.
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Russia, a country that you would never thought would be capable of anything, yet always somehow surprises the whole planet. Thinking
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Russia, a country that you would never thought would be capable of anything, yet always somehow surprises the whole planet. Thinking


It's the only country where I've seen a pair of men hunt a pig with a sink.
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Russia, a country that you would never thought would be capable of anything, yet always somehow surprises the whole planet. Thinking


I don't think they've surprised anyone, it's not like Russia has changed it's spots at all. Putin has actually become quite predictable as far as his politics goes. It's just how far is he willing to take things, rather than in what direction.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
The propaganda war has begun:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/spain-accused-of-provocation-after-letting-russian-submarine-refuel-off-gibraltar-10477283.html

The propaganda begins:

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Security sources now fear that the state-of-the-art Novorossiysk, which passed through the English Channel last week, may now operate from a Russian naval base on the annexed Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, The Independent can reveal.


The black sea fleet has ALWAYS operated from Sevastopol. Even when Crimea was part of the Ukraine, Russia maintained, legally, the Naval Base in Sevastopol. With or without the annexation, that submarine would still have been from there.

Also it was at Ceuta a free port. China allows the US navy to dock at Hong Kong for shore leave and R&R. In Hong Kong I see MANY naval vessels dock there for resupply and shore leave.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
smegballs wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
Russia, a country that you would never thought would be capable of anything, yet always somehow surprises the whole planet. Thinking


It's the only country where I've seen a pair of men hunt a pig with a sink.


Photo/youtube clip or it never happened.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
MCN wrote:
smegballs wrote:
It's the only country where I've seen a pair of men hunt a pig with a sink.


Photo/youtube clip or it never happened.


There you go: https://youtu.be/9SpzW_O2Ya0?t=59s Thumbs Up
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