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Simpson196
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Triumph Daytona 675 2007 Reply with quote

Hi all,

I am new to the bike scene, i have just turned 20 and no I havent done 2 years with any license before so i cant get my A license when i turn 21 next year, I am looking to get a Triumph Daytona 675 07 plate and restrict it so that it will fall under the required spec for an A2 license,

What are your thoughts on this bike? or have you got any other bikes you reckon that would be better suited to this cause?

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PostPosted: 14:07 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't ride it restricted, to restrict bikes now they must make under a certain amount of horsepower before they are restricted. I don't know what the number is but a 675 definitely has more. Google 'list of A2 bikes' or similar to find what you can actually ride.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
You can't ride it restricted, to restrict bikes now they must make under a certain amount of horsepower before they are restricted. I don't know what the number is but a 675 definitely has more. Google 'list of A2 bikes' or similar to find what you can actually ride.


It's something like 94bhp, so the Daytona is WAAAY out. Triumph did a ECU restricted Street Triple that just edged in, but then it needed yet another restrictor to make it 46.6bhp
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, no chance.

Need to get older faster to be on the lovely sports bikes I'm afraid.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh, it was my understanding that you restrict the amount of fuel going into the engine, therefore bringing down the KW output to legal levels, am I wrong on this?
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did what you said and googled what bikes I could ride on an A2 license, a Ducati Monster 796 came up saying it needed 46% restriction to bring it down to 35kw, if that is the case, should I be able to almost restrict all bikes as long as they dont need a 100% or more restriction?
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simpson196 wrote:
Ahhh, it was my understanding that you restrict the amount of fuel going into the engine, therefore bringing down the KW output to legal levels, am I wrong on this?


Yes.

You could restrict it to 3 bhp and it would still be illegal for you to ride as it made too much power before restriction.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simpson196 wrote:
Ahhh, it was my understanding that you restrict the amount of fuel going into the engine, therefore bringing down the KW output to legal levels, am I wrong on this?


No, you are right about how to restrict the engine (either fuelling or an air restrictor) but for the current A2 licence the engine you restrict must have no more than 70 kW when in unrestricted guise. 70 kW = 93.9 bhp.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must make less than about 94hp.

Would say SV or similar.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
Simpson196 wrote:
Ahhh, it was my understanding that you restrict the amount of fuel going into the engine, therefore bringing down the KW output to legal levels, am I wrong on this?


No, you are right about how to restrict the engine (either fuelling or an air restrictor) but for the current A2 licence the engine you restrict must have no more than 70 kW when in unrestricted guise. 70 kW = 93.9 bhp.


Right I get it now, thats why the Monster came up and not the Daytona, didn't know there was a limit on how much I could restrict it by for A2

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PostPosted: 14:41 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simpson196 wrote:

Right I get it now, thats why the Monster came up and not the Daytona, didn't know there was a limit on how much I could restrict it by for A2

Damn


Yep, that's what we all said. You cannot restrict a bike that makes more than 94bhp as standard. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Simpson196 wrote:

Right I get it now, thats why the Monster came up and not the Daytona, didn't know there was a limit on how much I could restrict it by for A2

Damn


Yep, that's what we all said. You cannot restrict a bike that makes more than 93.9bhp as standard.


FTFY. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simpson196 wrote:
didn't know there was a limit on how much I could restrict it by for A2

It didn't used to be the case and it doesn't make a damn bit of sense, but here we are. If the bike claimed over 70kW as new then it's not suitable for use on A2 no matter how far you restrict it[*].

Think Monster, Fazer, ER6F, GSX650F. No real sports 600s (CBR F/FS/RR, Ninja, R6, Gixxer).

You'll see claims that one model of GSX-R600 was under 70kW, but sadly it's not. That number comes from one dyno test of rear wheel power. What (again sadly) matters is the "net engine power" that the manufacturer originally claimed, which has always been over 70kW.

In any case, CBT, training, tests, then decide on a bike. You'll be in a far better position to know what you want.

[*] In a particularly perverse bit of Brussels Bampottery, you can technically make a legal bike illegal by restricting it too much. Brick Wall
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually only like a certain look on a bike, unfortunately them bikes are normally always way way to fast for me Laughing Laughing

But I like the Monster so I will probably go for that after I have done all the tests I need to do
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simpson196 wrote:
I actually only like a certain look on a bike, unfortunately them bikes are normally always way way to fast for me Laughing

Ninja 300 or CBR300? They look the part.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simpson196 wrote:
I actually only like a certain look on a bike, unfortunately them bikes are normally always way way to fast for me Laughing Laughing

But I like the Monster so I will probably go for that after I have done all the tests I need to do


KTM RC390 is cheap and at the power limit of what you'll be allowed to ride.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

KTM duke 690?
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PostPosted: 02:12 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
chris-red wrote:
You can't ride it restricted, to restrict bikes now they must make under a certain amount of horsepower before they are restricted. I don't know what the number is but a 675 definitely has more. Google 'list of A2 bikes' or similar to find what you can actually ride.


It's something like 94bhp, so the Daytona is WAAAY out. Triumph did a ECU restricted Street Triple that just edged in, but then it needed yet another restrictor to make it 46.6bhp


Curiosity question on that restricted Stripple. If it can be reduced to 95 bhp on just an ECU, does that count for any Stripple or does that SPECIFIC bike, built to 95bhp, have to be restricted again for A2?
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not seen one in the wild and mapping it to their lower bhp didn't do much apart from make the bike run like arse.

I'd expect it to be a slightly different bike.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Curiosity question on that restricted Stripple. If it can be reduced to 95 bhp on just an ECU, does that count for any Stripple or does that SPECIFIC bike, built to 95bhp, have to be restricted again for A2?

Intardtubes wisdom is that it's supposed to have different camshafts.

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=street+triple doesn't list it as a separate model.

Could mean that they're just registering it as a regular Street, or that they haven't sold any in the UK, ever.

Any why would they? Where's the market? You're looking at people who are 19 to 23 with an A2 license, but who are in a position to buy a brand new Triple, hobbled forever to 70kW, then further crippled down to 35kW.

You'd have to really, really want to be on a Triple to do that.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would go for a Monser 696 if I were you. Slightly lower seat height means it'll probably be more new rider friendly, and it's cheaper than the 796. Restricted, there isn't going to be much between them anyway.

Otherwise get a naked SV650. Was my first bike and great fun to ride. Easy to handle, reliable and sounds great with a good pipe on it.
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