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PostPosted: 18:52 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Buying new - asking for non-ex-display? Reply with quote

When buying a new bike, is it entirely unrealistic or unreasonable to ask for a bike that's fresh out of the crate, (obviously PDI'd etc), not one that's currently on display?

I couldn't find anything online on this, just for ex-demo bikes which I'm not talking about. Of course I can *ask* for this, but has anyone done this before or am I just being arsey?

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PostPosted: 19:05 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

wtf?

you do realize a salesman is going to say "yeah yeah yeah" and then when you come to pick it up you get given the one in the showroom anyway, are you going to check the chassis number?
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mine will be

put a deposit on the bloody thing in February

Might get it in May

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PostPosted: 19:11 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

andys675 wrote:
you do realize a salesman is going to say "yeah yeah yeah" and then when you come to pick it up you get given the one in the showroom anyway, are you going to check the chassis number?


My thoughts - unless he's honest (some are). I've seen photos people have taken of the bike arriving in the crate, it's theirs etc, being PDI'd etc.

I'm buying brand new at almost full price, so would like to think I might have a chance.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Buying new - asking for non-ex-display? Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:
When buying a new bike, is it entirely unrealistic or unreasonable to ask for a bike that's fresh out of the crate, (obviously PDI'd etc), not one that's currently on display?

If it's an ex-display bike then it's not new.

So in answer to your question, it's not unrealistic or unreasonable to ask for a bike that's new. If you're paying for a new bike then that's what you should get.

Of course, ex display, pre reg, ex demonstrator, 'only used by staff' or any other such deviation from actually being brand new should come at a price that's cheaper than list price.

What ya trying to buy?
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Buying new - asking for non-ex-display? Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
J7mbo wrote:
When buying a new bike, is it entirely unrealistic or unreasonable to ask for a bike that's fresh out of the crate, (obviously PDI'd etc), not one that's currently on display?

If it's an ex-display bike then it's not new.

So in answer to your question, it's not unrealistic or unreasonable to ask for a bike that's new. If you're paying for a new bike then that's what you should get.

Of course, ex display, pre reg, ex demonstrator, 'only used by staff' or any other such deviation from actually being brand new should come at a price that's cheaper than list price.

What ya trying to buy?


Don't want to push my luck so it's worth checking. I test rode a Pani 959 on the weekend and I have to have one.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Buying new - asking for non-ex-display? Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:

Don't want to push my luck so it's worth checking.

You're paying at almost-full price. Push all you can!
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Choose a different colour than the one on display.


It's your money, tell them what you want or walk away.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can ask. But I bet the answer they come back with is "Well you will have to wait for one to be delivered, and that will be XXX weeks"
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is a bike fresh out of the crate going to be noticeably different to one that's been sat on a few times?

Its not like they're going to hand you some bloody sheets as proof of virginity, right?
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other than my ex demonstrator Trophy, both my Triumphs were 'ordered in' from Triumph. The shop floor bikes were bikes with different things fitted to them so customers could see how they looked. From what I gather, other then some shop 'specials', you got your new bike from Triumph, not the floor.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Is a bike fresh out of the crate going to be noticeably different to one that's been sat on a few times?

I wonder about bikes that are kept outside the front of some dealers. I wouldn't want a bike that has been exposed to the elements for months, if it's a CBF125 they'll be nothing left.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
Choose a different colour than the one on display.

It's your money, tell them what you want or walk away.


Rogerborg wrote:
Is a bike fresh out of the crate going to be noticeably different to one that's been sat on a few times?


As a former purveyor of new vehicles, I'm somewhere between these two.

If you really want a crate bike, order something that's different to what's in the showroom and can't be dealer fitted.

If you want the bike in the showroom, then what difference does it make that some other bum has been parked on the seat, if it hasn't been on the road?

Dunno what they do now, but in my day if you wanted another colour, the big dealers would keep a set of all the appropriate tins in stock and swap them over, then change the V55 when they came to register it; it was quicker than ordering a whole new bike, especially if you order the colour nobody else wanted.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 08 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless there's something wrong with it, what's the difference? It's not registered, or ridden. Is it marked?

It'll get more 'used' during your first 20 miles on the road than it will in months sat in the showroom (assuming they're keeping it inside). A 959 can't have been there long anyway?

Of course, if you want BNIB, ask for it. It's your money, and it's a lot, and you're buying new. However, if you are happy to take the one in the showroom, then it's a useful bargaining chip. Ducati dealers have a healthy margin on new bike sales, so they can afford to discount. Whether they're prepared to depends on supply/demand.
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 09 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:
Ducati dealers have a very healthy margin on new bike sales, so they can afford to discount. Whether they're prepared to depends on supply/demand.


They are also guaranteed a good profit on servicing costs and aftersales. Remember the dealer is a franchise, if it comes to it you can phone around to see what is the best deal.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 09 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see OP's point for wanting a crate bike though. If the showroom bike was offered for sale though and or is pre registered, then assuming it's the spec and colour you want, I'd give it a really good check over for scrapes and scratches, loose fasteners etc. Then I'd ask for a big discount as your doing the dealer a favour by making him room on the shop floor!

I know a local bike shop that has a Cagiva Mito for sale that's done no miles, but been on display and also out in the rain and sun in the daytime for probably 10years? It would make a good buy at a silly price, but would need some careful attention and recommissioning to be any good to ride. At a silly price I'd take it myself, but anything last of the two strokes is going to be in fantasy land price wise I'd expect.
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PostPosted: 07:35 - 09 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking about it, while it's not an issue in this case, you can buy 1, 2 or even 3 year old stock as "new". I'm looking at you, Suzuki.

If that's an issue, I'd be slightly suspicious of the battery and I'd not want any ancient fuel in there.
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 09 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
any ancient fuel

Is there any other kind?
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 09 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Is a bike fresh out of the crate going to be noticeably different to one that's been sat on a few times?

I wonder about bikes that are kept outside the front of some dealers. I wouldn't want a bike that has been exposed to the elements for months, if it's a CBF125 they'll be nothing left.



Bought mine pre-registered, clean it by hand carefully often, use ACF-50 etc on it.

This thing has got built in automatic corrosion. Confused

from what I saw of the CBF125F they will be worse.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 09 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fart free seats
As said buy a different colour
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 09 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Thinking about it, while it's not an issue in this case, you can buy 1, 2 or even 3 year old stock as "new". I'm looking at you, Suzuki.

If that's an issue, I'd be slightly suspicious of the battery and I'd not want any ancient fuel in there.



Many years ago I bought a brand new Kawasaki AR80, because they were so small the crate contained 2 of them, mine was registered on a X plate, the other sat in the dealers till it was finally sold, when it was it was registered on an A plate!
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 09 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScottT wrote:
Many years ago I bought a brand new Kawasaki AR80, because they were so small the crate contained 2 of them, mine was registered on a X plate, the other sat in the dealers till it was finally sold, when it was it was registered on an A plate!

Think it's quite common. Seen '06 shape Hornets on 07 & 08 plates, same with XR's.

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PostPosted: 22:46 - 09 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 1198 was first registered in May 12, but built nearly 18 months earlier!
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 10 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Thinking about it, while it's not an issue in this case, you can buy 1, 2 or even 3 year old stock as "new". I'm looking at you, Suzuki.

If that's an issue, I'd be slightly suspicious of the battery and I'd not want any ancient fuel in there.


So the choice is sat in a dealers showroom or sat god knows where at the manufacture.....
For all we know they could be sat in a field under a tarp, pretty much like cars do.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 10 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
A work colleague just got a Duke 200, f**k knows how long that had been sitting in the showroom Very Happy

Looks like the UK only got the 2012 and 2013 model years, but they are still selling.

Rather bizarrely, they only sold 21 in 2014, but 78 in (the first three quarters of) 2015. Perhaps a shipping crate of "new" bikes showed up last year.
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