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richiemac
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: i boght a Honda H100 g reg what is the two stroke mix Reply with quote

hi i bought a honda h100 g reg and the lad i got it off by passed the two stroke oil bottle as he said he doesn't trust them plus i only had the bike less than 24 hours and i took it to a mechanic and he said the bottom end is about to go, and the lad will not give me my money back.

so i need to know how much two stroke oil to put in a petrol can?
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd plug the bottle back in it's more reliable than buggering about with premix, as proven by your knackered bottom end. Laughing

Full rebuild, plug the oil pump back in and live happily ever after.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

i haven't got a bottle so i need the pre mix ive been told 125ml to 5 litres of fuel is that correct and also some one who had a H100 said his engine bottom end was always noisy as if it was about to blow but he said behind the fly wheel there is like a half moon thing and said the woodrif key was fucked and thats what was making the engine sound fucked does any body know what he is talking about?

any clues and answer if the premix ive been told is right!
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The half moon thing is the counterweight for the crank-shaft.
It helps balance 'out of balance forces' when the piston and rod and crank are turning.
If it is keyed onto the crankshaft then the piston and crank will all move at the same speed as the weight and visa-versa. If the key-way is worn/key missing then so you will get a rattle or knock.
It will be repairable if you can find an engineer's willing and able to repair the key-ways and cut a new key.
But if the end of the shaft and bore of the counter weight is worn too then the plot thickens.
But it too can be welded/sleeved and put back together again.
Low performance engine so should be fixable.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

No 'correct' mixture for 2 squeak oil on the H100 as it always came with a pump.

125ml in 5L is 40:1 ratio. Anything from 25:1 to 50:1 seems to be the ratios people chose when they decide to run premix. 40:1 is probably as good as any!

If you run premix then the engine is getting virtually no oil when the throttle is closed, which can be an issue if you shut the throttle at high revs.

On the H100 the main bearings tend to be a weak point. They tend to whine when on their last legs.

Well worth hunting out a replacement oil tank, pump, etc.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:22 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.cmsnl.com/honda-h100s-1986-g-england_model19494/partslist/E__0700.html#results
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why oh why would you 'buy it off a lad' who had bypassed the 2 stroke tank unless you got it for something cheaper than a black jack.

Do you not think Mr. Honda, in his infinite wisdom and R&D budget worked out the most reliable way to introduce the correct quantity of 2 stroke to an engine. Rolling Eyes

The stupidity is strong in this one.
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roughly translates to : oil pump failed, seized it... So I ran it fucked on premix
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
The half moon thing is the counterweight for the crank-shaft.


"behind the fly wheel there is like a half moon thing and said the woodrif key was fucked and thats what was making the engine sound fucked"

I'd imagine the "half moon" is actually the Woodroffe key. If the same laddo who bypassed the oil pump has seen it, I'd put money on it having spun up the flywheel. Probably due to vibration from shagged mains.

I'm calling bargepole on this one.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

it was my mate who used to have a h100 who said it could be the woodrif key


stinkwheel wrote:
MCN wrote:
The half moon thing is the counterweight for the crank-shaft.


"behind the fly wheel there is like a half moon thing and said the woodrif key was fucked and thats what was making the engine sound fucked"

I'd imagine the "half moon" is actually the Woodroffe key. If the same laddo who bypassed the oil pump has seen it, I'd put money on it having spun up the flywheel. Probably due to vibration from shagged mains.

I'm calling bargepole on this one.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

i bought it for £325



Polarbear wrote:
Why oh why would you 'buy it off a lad' who had bypassed the 2 stroke tank unless you got it for something cheaper than a black jack.

Do you not think Mr. Honda, in his infinite wisdom and R&D budget worked out the most reliable way to introduce the correct quantity of 2 stroke to an engine. Rolling Eyes

The stupidity is strong in this one.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

the lad who sold me the bike said he didnt trust the oil tank and it was my mate who said it could be the woodrif key ?


richiemac wrote:
it was my mate who used to have a h100 who said it could be the woodrif key


stinkwheel wrote:
MCN wrote:
The half moon thing is the counterweight for the crank-shaft.


"behind the fly wheel there is like a half moon thing and said the woodrif key was fucked and thats what was making the engine sound fucked"

I'd imagine the "half moon" is actually the Woodroffe key. If the same laddo who bypassed the oil pump has seen it, I'd put money on it having spun up the flywheel. Probably due to vibration from shagged mains.

I'm calling bargepole on this one.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

richiemac wrote:
i bought it for £325



Polarbear wrote:
Why oh why would you 'buy it off a lad' who had bypassed the 2 stroke tank unless you got it for something cheaper than a black jack.

Do you not think Mr. Honda, in his infinite wisdom and R&D budget worked out the most reliable way to introduce the correct quantity of 2 stroke to an engine. Rolling Eyes

The stupidity is strong in this one.


I appreciate everyone has to start somewhere and people are going to make mistakes. You have just spunked £325. Learn from it and move on.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: its still got the two stroke tank there its just where does Reply with quote

its still got the two stroke tank there its just where does the pipe go to the carb as there is a place underneath the carb for a pipe and another on the right side of the carb?
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it is that key can the engine still fuck or not ?



MCN wrote:
The half moon thing is the counterweight for the crank-shaft.
It helps balance 'out of balance forces' when the piston and rod and crank are turning.
If it is keyed onto the crankshaft then the piston and crank will all move at the same speed as the weight and visa-versa. If the key-way is worn/key missing then so you will get a rattle or knock.
It will be repairable if you can find an engineer's willing and able to repair the key-ways and cut a new key.
But if the end of the shaft and bore of the counter weight is worn too then the plot thickens.
But it too can be welded/sleeved and put back together again.
Low performance engine so should be fixable.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well.

First thing I'd check is for play on the crank by removing the left hand engine cover, getting hold of the flywheel (the circular bit that rotates) and seeing if it moves up and down, side-to side or in and out. It should only rotate. Any play/clunking in another direction is bad news.

If the main bearings are screwed, there could be play here.
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