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PostPosted: 11:10 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: High Beam Etiquette? Reply with quote

Made my longest nighttime journey last night (SW London to Northampton) and it might sound silly but I've never even touched my high beam before, never had a need to.

Then I went on these really dark A roads, often the only vehicle on the road, and was like Shocked I'm gonna die shine a light!!!!

Obviously I used my common sense to, whenever possible, turn my high beam off when there was an oncoming vehicle (is everyone 'supposed' to do this?) But what about bigger, better lit dual carriageways- some cars had them on, some not?

But that is the general rule: don't blind others, make sure you can see where you're going?
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't dazzle oncoming vehicles is basically the rule.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This ^^^^
If you can't see well enough without high beam and need to turn it off, then slow down. If you dazzle oncoming vehicles you risk them causing an accident that might involve you.

On a dual carriageway, if it is very wide and you are on far apart (both in lane 1 with a large central reservation) there /might/ not be a problem, depends upon the road. If there is a right hand bend for you, it's /probably/ OK because your lights will be pointing away from the oncoming driver. A left hand bend for you would shine your lights straight in their face so definitely dip. But generally just dip them.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's a better lit carriageway, why do you need full beam?

Don't blind other drivers / riders.

If your light is that bad, change the bulb or get some auxiliary lighting.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
If it's a better lit carriageway, why do you need full beam?

Because retard, like the mongs that drive around with fog lights on for 3 months after the last wisp has evaporated, or nothing but sidelights / DLRs when it's pitch black and tipping it down.

Bear in mind that there's no requirement to have ever driven in the dark before being handed a driving license.

Even the theory hazard perception clips are (or at least were) all in daylight and good visibility. That might be down to the potatoes used to film or encode them, but in principle why are we not testing people under the worst conditions that they'll encounter?
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a difference between "better lit" (which may just mean not absolutely pitch black) and "well lit".

When my son was learning to drive, I'd thought nothing of it but after going out several times with me then a few driving lessons over a few weeks he commented that he'd driven in daylight for the first time that day and found it amazing how much he could see!

DRLs are awful things. I'm sure the majority of drivers using them think that they actually have dipped beam on, and don't realise that they are completely dark at the back.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
I'm sure the majority of drivers using them think that they actually have dipped beam on, and don't realise that they are completely dark at the back.


^^^ this x 1000 ....
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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whenever possible, turn my high beam off when there was an oncoming vehicle


This makes me think you didn't always do it - which is what you should be doing. No exceptions. You also need to switch back to dipped when following another vehicle (even if it's quite a long way in the distance) as otherwise your headlights will be dazzling them in their mirrors. It's also good practice to switch back to dipped before an oncoming vehicle is even visible, if you can see their headlight beam e.g. coming around a corner.

Not sure what bike you have but older vehicles (cars and bikes) seem to have a much poorer dipped beam than more modern ones. The downside to this improvement is that even dipped beam can be quite dazzling now.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fog and Hazard lights. Don't start me on that. Rule 114 Mad

High beam:
When noting in front bang them on.
If you are negotiating a Right Hand Bend with traffic coming from the opposite direction then you can keep the High Beams fully engaged.
As the light energy only moves in a straight line, the lights will point to the 'out side' of the bend and not towards the other chaps.

On a left hand bend the inverse it true. The lights will point directly at the chaps coming from the other direction.

It will be reversed au Francis/De Espanya etc.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

non residential area, no oncoming traffic = use high beam.

Otherwise never use high beam. It's not really a difficult concept, and I had to learn from my father rather than from a driving instructor. By and large most cars and bikes do this, but the main issue is not with this, but with poorly adjusted dipped beams, people using foglights when they shouldn't and people with dead bulbs.

The worst is the car with the combination of the three where their left bulb is out so they put foglights on to compensate and their right dipped beam is pointing directly in your face. This is more common than you might realise, basically because there are more morons out there than you might realise.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the car coming towards you has one headlight out (as about 1 in 10 seem to these days) it's good etiquette to turn on your main beam so that they have some extra light to see with.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

South Yorkshire etiquette is to have one functional headlight that is either main or set high, one functional brake light, and luxuary vehicles have a single foglight or DRL.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Etiquette probably depends on where you're. In London you get some bikers who have full beams on all the time (even during the day), cars with full beams on at night even though you don't need them.

TBH even dipped beams can be annoying, they can still dazzle other people when going over road bumps, over crests etc.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
ScaredyCat wrote:
If it's a better lit carriageway, why do you need full beam?

Because retard, like the mongs that drive around with fog lights on for 3 months after the last wisp has evaporated, or nothing but sidelights / DLRs when it's pitch black and tipping it down.


Or the complete and utter bell-ended-fuckwit who filters 5 miles down the A2 every night with his super-bright hazard lights flashing. It's even worse if there's rain but he carries on in blissful ignorance and what's worse he does it so bloody slowly there's always a queue on his tail but he never has to suffer it himself.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Or the complete and utter bell-ended-fuckwit who filters 5 miles down the A2 every night with his super-bright hazard lights flashing. It's even worse if there's rain but he carries on in blissful ignorance and what's worse he does it so bloody slowly there's always a queue on his tail but he never has to suffer it himself.


Is it this utter bell-ended-twaaaat Geoff Smith?
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't just turn off the high beam when there's oncoming traffic but any time when there's another road user in front, be it a vehicle travelling in the same direction, waiting at a junction or a pedestrian walking along the road.

Basically, if anyone is blinded by your head light on high beam, you're doing it wrong.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 03 GSXR 600 and I dont find the normal light very bright so I'm always on full beam. Full beam is nowhere near as bright as my cars full beam.

Full beam during the day too, like to let people know I'm there Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sepher wrote:
I have 03 GSXR 600 and I dont find the normal light very bright so I'm always on full beam. Full beam is nowhere near as bright as my cars full beam.

Full beam during the day too, like to let people know I'm there Thumbs Up


And that is why people get dazzled by oncoming drivers....

You do know that your car has TWO headlights and your bike just ONE?
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sepher wrote:
I have 03 GSXR 600 and I dont find the normal light very bright so I'm always on full beam. Full beam is nowhere near as bright as my cars full beam.

Full beam during the day too, like to let people know I'm there Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 01:20 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sepher wrote:
I'm always on full beam....Full beam during the day too, like to let people know I'm there

You do realise that using your main beam makes it difficult for other road users to judge your speed and distance, don't you? If not, then after you've been knocked off a few times by vehicles emerging from sideroads, it may, eventually, dawn upon you.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I leave mine on ALL the time. Haters going to hate but zero shits given.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who ride on full beam all the time - how do you feel when a car approaches you on a dark road on full beam? Are you pleased that you can see them?
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only time I use full beam is to see if it works for the MOT

I live in the country and a village with very few streetlights but still only use the headlight
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don’t use main beam during the day, good way to have your speed/position miss-judged.

At night you should use you main beam unless there are lit street lamps, you can see a pedestrian or you can see the lights directly of another vehicle.

If you are aware of another vehicle approaching round a blind corner it’s best to dip your headlights just before they are directly visible to you, I’d also prepare for the vehicle to come into view with main beams on.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Monkey wrote:
I leave mine on ALL the time. Haters going to hate but zero shits given.

Nice try, Trolly Tryhard, but that's 35W/35W on the MSX, and 1-bar-electric-fire / 2-bar-electric-fire glow on the Enfield.

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