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PostPosted: 12:55 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: rejet gone wrong, help? Reply with quote

so basically i own a sinnis apache 125 15 plate and i wanted a little more top end because i do a lot of dual carriage riding.

my bike topped out at exactly 60 so i heard a few people have gone 1 tooth up on the front sprocket from the stock 15t to a 16t for longer gearing and a sport exhaust with a rejet(main jet) from the stock 97.5 to the 105 so i did all of this.

before the upgrades my bike hit 60 no struggle now there is no power in 5th it actually looses power and screams when it gets to 60 eventually. A friend did the same and got 70 out of his no problem, my bike makes a bang when its first started on a morning and feels more sluggish than before, what have i done wrong??

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PostPosted: 13:06 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No bikes are identical.

Put it back to how it was and do 1 thing at a time and work with that.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

i did but i have the same problem, there was a screw on the bottom of the carb on the cylinder side that i thought was my idle screw but then when i found out it wasnt i couldnt remember how many turns id turned it, what does it do what could that be it?
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:36 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

um dont want to be rude in any way but i need help and suggestions not criticism because i am learning like many experienced mechanics did before they became experienced. you have to start somewhere.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightrider0113 wrote:
i did but i have the same problem, there was a screw on the bottom of the carb on the cylinder side that i thought was my idle screw but then when i found out it wasnt i couldnt remember how many turns id turned it, what does it do what could that be it?


Sounds like your mixture screw. Depending on how the carb is set up, clockwise is either going to make the mixture leaner or richer, so the direction in or out will be dependant on how it acts. You might be lucky and be able to google what the default number of turns out is as a starting point. Otherwise...

Screw it all the way in GENTLY and then unscrew 1 turn. Set your IDLE screw for a fast idle, then SLOWLY turn the mixture screw out, 1/8th of a turn at a time, until the revs stop increasing and start dropping again. Do this progressively - adjust then let it settle, adjust, settle. Reduce your idle, and then keep turning the mixture, raising the revs again. When the revs no longer increase, turn it back 1/8th of a turn and make a note of how many turns out this is.

Should get you to ballpark area of where it should be.

[edit] Made the starting point 1 turn, as 1.25-1.5 might be where it should be.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going back to stock is always a good idea. Whatever you do, don't just start throwing more "performance" bits at it in the hope that it'll get faster. In particular, a cone air filter is as likely to harm as to help.

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
to google what the default number of turns out is as a starting point.

If it's this carb...

https://i.imgur.com/VbDZL7C.png

I'd start 2 turns out.

5th gear won't necessarily give you any more speed than 4th on these bikes, and your gearing change may have moved the power curve where it can't make it to peak power. That said, it won't effect starting or running up the gears, so it sounds like you've knackered the fuelling.

For reference, my copybike 125 had a 90 main jet as stock and ran slightly lean (thanks, Brussels). 95 was about right, 100 was OK after de-catting the exhausts, but 105 was too much.

Did you move the needle? Or is there any chance you've dislodged it, or meddled with the float?

Have you actually been out with your 70mph chum to verify his claim?
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: rejet gone wrong, help? Reply with quote

nightrider0113 wrote:
my bike makes a bang when its first started on a morning and feels more sluggish than before, what have i done wrong?


Firstly take note of what messers Shaggy and Borg have said.
Secondly, (pedant mode), the "mixture" screw they're referring to is actually the pilot jet, on that carb!
The pilot jet affects 0 to 1/4 throttle openings, so even when you get this back in the right place, (somwhere between 1.5 & 2.5 turns out), it's not going to affect the top end at throttle openings of more than a 1/4!

Go back to the standard jetting and start from there, adjusting the pilot jet as Mr Shaggy suggested.

Marjay, consider yourslf told, op obviously just wanted a tummy rub! Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: rejet gone wrong, help? Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
The pilot jet affects 0 to 1/4 throttle openings

Thus the suspicion about the float and the needle. If it's that slide carb, the clip holding the needle in place can come loose and it becomes sort of vaguely associated with the throttle position leading to random running (ask me how I know).

Or I wonder what a loose main jet would do. Mine dropped clean out into the float bowl, laughs were had.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP changing gearing by +1tooth on the front sprocket is a reasonable experiment and easy to change back if it makes the bike worse to ride.

A straight through noisy silencer, not a great mod, but dem kids all do it anyway so join in or feel left out I guess.

But a relative noob having a go at re-jetting a carb that they know nothing about, are not familiar with all its parts and settings as std, and worse going on what a possible clueless mate told them, well that's just full of fail!

I might play around with jetting on s four stroke if I had modded a bike and thought it wasn't running right after or had flat spots etc. But I'd need to know the carb, how it all works and what the Base settings are too. And after all that you don't know slightly rich from slightly lean, by sound or how it rides. If you want perfect Carburation you need to know the fuel ratio your running, and also what that particular engine likes best.

The dyno is your friend generally, not a twatty mate.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember, top speed claims for 125s are generally lies.
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 23 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

right so ive been on my friends bike and the speedo does indicate 70, so i had another look at m bike and maybe its getting too much fuel 105 may be too big so im going to put the stock 97.5 back in and see what happens i dont want my bike fast i want it to keep up to the max speed limit for the uk.
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