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DecapitatingJ...
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Opinion on GSB helmets. Reply with quote

Hey so I'm fairly new to this bike stuff. I'm almost through with lessons, and will be picking up a bike in the next few months.

What I would like to know is, what do you more experienced people think about GSB helmets? They seem pretty affordable compared to the ones I was looking at (HJC and Spirit), but of course the lower price makes me think they're a load of crap.

I'm probably totally wrong, but I would like to get some feedback on em and this seemed like a good place to ask.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried them on?
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not yet. I'm just looking to see what brands I should avoid at all costs. It's entirely possible the store I'm going to wont even have GSB helmets, but I thought it would be best knowing what to avoid before I go looking.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There aren't any brands to avoid.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

That certainly makes things easier. Thanks.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/

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Add make/model.

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PostPosted: 14:33 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have a look through that, thanks.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cronik wrote:
https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/

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How much your head is worth:
How much you're willing to spend.


You pay more for comfort & weight, bells & whistles. Your head isnt any safer.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cost is no indicator of safety: 5-star helmets can be had for as little as £40.

There's also some evidence that cheaper thermoplastic lids actually work slightly better in survivable impacts.

I'd go by fit, then features, with safety rating as a distant third. Anything that's passed ECE 22.05 is likely to be much of a muchness.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cronik wrote:
https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/

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How much your head is worth:
How much you're willing to spend.

In terms of how much your head is worth, if a £800 lid doesn't fit as well as a £100 one then buying the £800 means that your head isn't worth much to you.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most helmets around my area are ~£100 (R2000) so I was gonna use that as my budget for one. I'd like to get something cheaper which is why I was thinking of GSB. Spirit also do some less expensive ones.

I was more curious as to if GSB was decent or not, since it seems to be a slightly cheaper Chinese thing and those are normally a bit of a gamble.

I'm gonna get my head measured before I go to look at em so I know what my options are.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as it has /real/ approval stickers (rather than fakes fitted to substandard helmets) and fits it'll be OK.

You pay more for more comfort, lightness, better ventilation, better quality (e.g. ratchet mechanisms and strap fastners likely to have a nicer action and fail less frequently), more easily removable padding for cleaning, better sound insulation. I also don't believe in the "how much is your head worth" argument for spending a lot of money; in tests some cheaper helmets do better than more expensive ones, and the tests aren't necessarily representative of the actual accident you'll have (where a softer or stiffer lining than you have might have helped - but you don't know which until you're sliding down the road).

As long as you buy from a reputable seller (preferably a proper bike shop where you can try stuff on and feel the quality) rather than something that is a "bargain" on eBay you are likely to avoid dangerous fakes.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
As long as it has /real/ approval stickers (rather than fakes fitted to substandard helmets) and fits it'll be OK.

You pay more for more comfort, lightness, better ventilation, better quality (e.g. ratchet mechanisms and strap fastners likely to have a nicer action and fail less frequently), more easily removable padding for cleaning, better sound insulation. I also don't believe in the "how much is your head worth" argument for spending a lot of money; in tests some cheaper helmets do better than more expensive ones, and the tests aren't necessarily representative of the actual accident you'll have (where a softer or stiffer lining than you have might have helped - but you don't know which until you're sliding down the road).

As long as you buy from a reputable seller (preferably a proper bike shop where you can try stuff on and feel the quality) rather than something that is a "bargain" on eBay you are likely to avoid dangerous fakes.


The size and rating are definitely something I'm keeping an eye on. I'm not bothered about little comforts, at the end of the day the helmets job is to keep me alive. I'm happy to pay for that but the other stuff I'm not that interested in, especially since it jacks up the price. My mindset is why would I pay twice as much for something, when it's technically disposable and something half the price does the job just as well, if not better.

I'm definitely going into a bike shop to buy it though. I'm not gonna be ordering online cuz I'll have no idea if it actually fits and is comfy and stuff. With something as personal as this I'd rather test it in person before buying.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DecapitatingJim wrote:
why would I pay twice as much for something, when it's technically disposable and something half the price does the job just as well, if not better.

Because you're wearing it a lot more than you're bouncing it down the road.

That said, I'm happy enough with my ~£60 Nitro.

Oh, the one feature that's a must-have for me is being "pinlock ready". That means the visor has a couple of small posts for securing a "pinlock" anti-fog insert.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DecapitatingJim wrote:
I'm gonna get my head measured before I go to look at em so I know what my options are.

You want to try on as many different lids as possible.

That's the only way you can know what fits you well. Measuring your head will just give an indication of what size to try on first.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
DecapitatingJim wrote:
why would I pay twice as much for something, when it's technically disposable and something half the price does the job just as well, if not better.

Because you're wearing it a lot more than you're bouncing it down the road.

That said, I'm happy enough with my ~£60 Nitro.

Oh, the one feature that's a must-have for me is being "pinlock ready". That means the visor has a couple of small posts for securing a "pinlock" anti-fog insert.

I'll be going for something that's comfy obviously. I'm just not wanting to spend a small fortune on something with a bunch of features I'm not really that interested in. The anti fog thing sounds pretty handy though. Will keep an eye out for that.

Ste wrote:
You want to try on as many different lids as possible.

That's the only way you can know what fits you well. Measuring your head will just give an indication of what size to try on first.

Will do. I'm gonna take this guide with me too https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/content/get-right-fit.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think of it like buying a car when you have no interest in MPG or BHP.


A Fiesta will do the same job as an S-Class for a fraction of the cost.

Both do the same job but the merc is more comfortable, better build, will last longer, has a better finish etc. etc.

It's sometimes false economy to by cheap, escpeially if you use your lid daily. I used a £90 HJC (lasted a year) and a £180 AGV (18 months) the £330 Arai I bought after lasted 4 years, mainly because of ease of availability of spares.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Cost is no indicator of safety: 5-star helmets can be had for as little as £40.

There's also some evidence that cheaper thermoplastic lids actually work slightly better in survivable impacts.

I'd go by fit, then features, with safety rating as a distant third. Anything that's passed ECE 22.05 is likely to be much of a muchness.


I was referring to the ratings system. Not the moolah.

Cool dragon design 1-star helmet vs. a 5-star plain helmet.

When I finally get around to it, I wouldn't want anything less than 4 stars...

When I finally get around to it

When I finally get around to it...
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Cronik wrote:
https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/

Sort by rating

How much your head is worth:
How much you're willing to spend.

In terms of how much your head is worth, if a £800 lid doesn't fit as well as a £100 one then buying the £800 means that your head isn't worth much to you.


It was poor wording on Cronik's behalf. I was directing it at the substance over style mindset. SHARP themselves also proclaim that correct fit is the utmost.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:

It's sometimes false economy to by cheap, escpeially if you use your lid daily. I used a £90 HJC (lasted a year) and a £180 AGV (18 months) the £330 Arai I bought after lasted 4 years, mainly because of ease of availability of spares.


Having said that, your cheap HJC was better value than your AGV (only taking cost/month into account), and only marginally worse than your Arai - and you could have had a new helmet every year rather than maintaining/washing an old one.

I do take the view that my head is inside my lid for at least 2 hours a day, so I'd quite like it to be a nice place. If it was 15 minutes each way on a 125 I'd probably buy whatever was cheap and fitted rather than worrying about additional features/comfort.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
chris-red wrote:

It's sometimes false economy to by cheap, escpeially if you use your lid daily. I used a £90 HJC (lasted a year) and a £180 AGV (18 months) the £330 Arai I bought after lasted 4 years, mainly because of ease of availability of spares.


Having said that, your cheap HJC was better value than your AGV (only taking cost/month into account), and only marginally worse than your Arai - and you could have had a new helmet every year rather than maintaining/washing an old one.

I do take the view that my head is inside my lid for at least 2 hours a day, so I'd quite like it to be a nice place. If it was 15 minutes each way on a 125 I'd probably buy whatever was cheap and fitted rather than worrying about additional features/comfort.


But on top of that the Arai was more comfortable quieter and had vents that actually did something.

What would you rather drive a new fiesta every year, or something something decent for 4?
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PostPosted: 05:48 - 19 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I drive "quality" cars and use fairly expensive helmets. I know that my Jaguar (now owned for 10 years) has cost me less to maintain and run than a fiesta would have done, and given me far more pleasure - hence the comment about paying more to have something nicer if it is being used a lot.

Just pointing out that an HJC that lasts 12 months and costs £90 (£7.50/month) is more economical - taking only cost/month into account - than an AGV that lasted 18 months (£10/month), and quite close to the Arai at £6.87/month+spares.
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