Guaranteed basic wage.

[Ribenapigeon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36454060

What I find funny about this is its come about because middle classes are looking at their jobs becoming redundant dir to increasingly sophisticated forms of automation in the workplace, but because their special they can't be just thrown on the benefit scrap heap like the old traditional working class.

There is an interesting question reading what happens in a future where workers are largely unnecessary.

[Ste]

[DrSnoosnoo]

The report mentioned that it wasn't clear what would have happened to the higher earners.

If those higher earners would have had their wage effectively cut, that would be very bad for business in my opinion.

If I was asked to be paid the same as *insert minimum wage job* for doing my *not minimum wage job* I'd immediately find a less stressful job. Making everyone earn the same would not inspire enthusiasm to be promoted, instead it would inspire those to find the easiest job they could.

I would much prefer to work on the checkouts than manage a business, for the same money.
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[angryjonny]

I read it as 2500chf was simply a floor beneath which no-one's income would sink. Doesn't stop you earning more.

[DrSnoosnoo]

Another point which could hinder this type of plan,

What's to stop companies raising the price of their goods? If people are 33% better off, prices could increase just the same, could they not?
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[DrSnoosnoo]

[Rogerborg]

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[Itchy]

[DrSnoosnoo]

[Ribenapigeon]

I think folks have got their noses pressed up too close to the telly screen on this one. The financial impracticality of it is obvious. What is interesting though is the economics behind it. Roger mentioned "makers" but here's the rub, what makers? Increasingly to create goods and services and deliver those to customers less and less actual people are required. However economically speaking you need actual people to be purchasers of those things.

Its not some communist theory either. In fact it bears more of a relation to the eighties Thatcherite "leasure society", remember that?

I only chose the BBC site as it was quick to find. There's other articles online including a hilariously vague one by the Guardian which was trying to give the impression John McDonald was all for the idea when in fact it was suggested he may mention the Swiss parliament vote in a talk he had yet to give at the time of the guardians article. Pretty shameless attempt to discredit McDonald I thought.

Its also not far from the ideas explored by Ian M Banks in his Culture novels, a sci-fi series set in worlds where there was such complete abundance people didn't need to work.

[Itchy]

[Rogerborg]

[Jewlio Rides Again LLB]

Problem with that universal income is it'll do the scum at the DWP out of a job.

Wouldn't that be sweet as sugar for the rest of us though?
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[Itchy]

Oh don't worry about automation taking your job and not having any money.

TPTB will simply exterminate the vast vast majority of people that are no longer needed.

Probably via some form of infantry war or a death project.

Qin Shi-huang after uniting the three Kingdoms sent his armies to build the great wall to kill most of them to stop them becoming a threat this killed millions.

Stalin built the M56 which also killed millions.
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