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PostPosted: 14:44 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Scousers crush each other Reply with quote

Only scousers should be able to kill other scousers. Scouse lives matter

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PostPosted: 16:02 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

JUSTICE FOR THE 96!

Now, where's the compensation?
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I truly believe that if the jury had at all blamed the fans for the incident then their lives would be at risk.

They'd be mad to blame anyone but the police.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone conveniently forgets the 39 Juventus fans killed by Scousers and a falling wall in 1985.

They were 100% to blame for that and though it's now taboo to say as such, it was the same mentality which contributed to the Hillsborough tragedy.

Of course, they'll go on ignoring Heysel. It took them 20 years to offer an apology to Juventus and quite rightly the Italians didn't accept it.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
I truly believe that if the jury had at all blamed the fans for the incident then their lives would be at risk.


And your basis for that belief would be?...
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:
J4mes wrote:
I truly believe that if the jury had at all blamed the fans for the incident then their lives would be at risk.


And your basis for that belief would be?...


The way some Liverpool fans behave when you even hint at the notion that those outside, without tickets, shouldn't have pushed from the back.

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PostPosted: 20:21 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies, let me clarify the point I was referring to.

J4mes wrote:
their lives would be at risk.


Also, maybe some folk need to read up on the facts of the courts findings before jumping to biased conclusions. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:
Also, maybe some folk need to read up on the facts of the courts findings before jumping to biased conclusions. Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 20:38 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Do me a favour.


Do yourself a favour and go and read up on all the findings of the case, they're not difficult to find.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Always the victim..... It's never your fault... Apparently officially now.

This trial and campaign would have gone on and on until the scousers could get rid of the guilt of killing their own fans.

They weren't that bothered about killing 38 Italian fans 4 years earlier though.

Blaming the police 100% is rubbish, the fans caused this but nobody dare admit it. If the police kept the fates shut fans would most likely still have died, just outside in the crush not inside.


Are you trolling or are you really that much of a bigot?

If you actually believe what you have posted, it must be the latter because it's pretty obvious that you've got no idea about what actually occured that day and your opinion is based solely on prejudice.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't read the facts.

However I have been rather confused on the above points - of how it was entirely the police's fault and nothing to do with the people doing the actual crushing?

Smacked rather SJWisn to me.

Anyone care to tl;dr these 'facts' that justify it being the police's fault?
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PostPosted: 01:36 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I haven't read the facts.

However I have been rather confused on the above points - of how it was entirely the police's fault and nothing to do with the people doing the actual crushing?

Smacked rather SJWisn to me.

Anyone care to tl;dr these 'facts' that justify it being the police's fault?


Tbf, it was not entirely the polices fault, there were a number of contributing factors that occurred that day. However, the police were responsible for crowd control and the safety of the people attending the game.

It's a bit difficult to tl;dr a hearing that's taken two years to find out the facts but, this isn't a bad place to start:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-35462767

The part of the tragedy that really stinks, is what happened afterwards. The blaming of fans being drunk, breaking down the gate that ultimately lead to the sudden fatal surge forward and altering police constables statements by the hierarchy to deflect any blame away from them and place it on the supporters.
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:

All of that seems to work on the basis that it's not the people fault they're oafish-cave-dwelling-tribal-idiots. Apart from the police, who aren't allowed to be tribal. The latter I quite agree with - but I don't think that excuses the people there.

Would this have happened at Rugby game with that attendance?
A game of bowls?

It seems to be like the police being blamed for those died in a gang fight because they didn't react quick enough.
Yes, they could have saved lives; but the ones holding the knives could have also not stabbed people.
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:
However, the police were responsible for crowd control and the safety of the people attending the game.


So, when a human being enter a football stadium, they are no longer in any way responsible for their own health and safety, or that of the people around them?

If people had been better behaved, lives would not have been lost, but that's all the polices fault as they had sole responsibility for health and safety..... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The verdict seems to be that sportsball fans aren't in any way responsible for their own actions. Exactly like animals.
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the police had just said their crowd control failed and what they did and why there would have been none of this and it would have been consigned to the history books years ago.

It's the disinformation, lies and threats the police issued to hide the senior staffs fuck ups that stinks and the people involved should have the book thrown at them.

If anything good has come out of this it is how fans are treated at football matches now, all seater stadiums with no cages. Treat people like people and they act like people, not cattle.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The verdict seems to be that sportsball fans aren't in any way responsible for their own actions. Exactly like animals.

On the contrary, thanks to recent legislation, literally; "if a dog looks at you funny, it can be put down".
Dogs, at least, seem to be endowed with a considerable amount more responsibility than these people.
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If anything good has come out of this it is how fans are treated at football matches now, all seater stadiums with no cages. Treat people like people and they act like people, not cattle.

As I understand it; there was considerable work done disassembling the violent culture pervasive in much of football-fan society.

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If the police had just said their crowd control failed and what they did and why there would have been none of this and it would have been consigned to the history books years ago.

Or perhaps some of the above work might have failed and we might have seen another Heysel case?
It's not unreasonable to see why so many found the police story so easy to believe!


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PostPosted: 09:44 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
If anything good has come out of this it is how fans are treated at football matches now, all seater stadiums with no cages. Treat people like people and they act like people, not cattle.


Yet Rugby still has standing terraces, no issues there.

We can even take pints of beer into the stand too.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The verdict seems to be that sportsball fans aren't in any way responsible for their own actions. Exactly like animals.

So why are people arrested at games, banned, have to hand over their passports for England games, drunk people are refused entry, etc?

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Yet Rugby still has standing terraces, no issues there.
We can even take pints of beer into the stand too.


As you can at football matches in Italy, Belgium, Germany, Austria, France, Spain, Denmark, Sweden and many more.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
no cages

Why were the cages built in the first place?

Why did Dibble keep a buffer zone of closed turnstiles between the two groups of fans?

Those were reactive measures, not causative.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedPanda wrote:

So why are people arrested at games, banned, have to hand over their passports for England games, drunk people are refused entry, etc?

Because the people in the Jury aren't in charge of policing in general?
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedPanda wrote:


As you can at football matches in Italy, Belgium, Germany, Austria, France, Spain, Denmark, Sweden and many more.


So it's just English football fans that are scumbags.
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