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Kal-El
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PostPosted: 02:04 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Best tips for cheaper insurance? Reply with quote

Anyone know which security options are best for decreasing insurance premiums?
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PostPosted: 06:51 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

not living in a shit area and owning a chav magnet bike normally helps



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PostPosted: 07:05 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Best tips for cheaper insurance? Reply with quote

Kal-El wrote:
Anyone know which security options are best for decreasing insurance premiums?


Varies from circumstance to circumstance cos reasons.

If only there was a really simple easy way you could go find out for yourself specific to your actual circumstances. Somewhere where you could go compare
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try removing all the security options (on the quote) and see what happens.
Not sure what exactly happens, but the insurance can work out cheaper.

Plus if it's not on the quote then they can't weasel out of it if you forget to use all the items you listed and it's stolen.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arry's gonna like this...


LIE!!!!

How far you take it is down to you. I have a tpo policy and declaring the bike was on private property, and not garaged increased it by £30. My mistake then, I do have a garage Rolling Eyes

Play around with quotes, and don't make any assumptions. Only thing I've not tried is the trick with car insurance, putting a more experienced person down as a second rider. Takes about £500 off a 3k+ quote but dunno what it would do to a bike policy (don't know anyone to add).

There's also a big name insurer who don't check NCD (even come claim time). That's going a bit far for me but just saying Shhh!
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Arry's gonna like this...


LIE!!!!

How far you take it is down to you. I have a tpo policy and declaring the bike was on private property, and not garaged increased it by £30. My mistake then, I do have a garage Rolling Eyes

Play around with quotes, and don't make any assumptions. Only thing I've not tried is the trick with car insurance, putting a more experienced person down as a second rider. Takes about £500 off a 3k+ quote but dunno what it would do to a bike policy (don't know anyone to add).

There's also a big name insurer who don't check NCD (even come claim time). That's going a bit far for me but just saying Shhh!


Is it worth lying about the garage to save £30? Might be a problem if your bike gets stolen and for the sake of £30 you lost your theft insurance.
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Best tips for cheaper insurance? Reply with quote

monkeybiker wrote:
M.C wrote:
I have a tpo policy and [lied]

Is it worth lying about the garage to save £30? Might be a problem if your bike gets stolen and for the sake of £30 you lost your theft insurance.

The only risk there is if the bike gets stolen and crashed into someone or something else.

Heck, as per stinkwheel, I now just leave the key in my Enfield ignition. If they want it (why?), they're having it anyway and all I'm doing is ensuring that the ignition get smashed or cut. I have two spares to hand over to the insurer. It's all just a game, you might as well play it to win.


Kal-El wrote:
Anyone know which security options are best for decreasing insurance premiums?

Listing an Almax chain and Squire lock increased mine by 1/3rd.

The speculation goes that listing security increased the perceived risk and got the quote punted to a different set of underwriters or at least a different type of policy. But who really knows? arry, that's who.

Assume nothing. It's entirely down to your personal circumstances. You'll have to try every combination to find your sweet spot.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

monkeybiker wrote:

Is it worth lying about the garage to save £30? Might be a problem if your bike gets stolen and for the sake of £30 you lost your theft insurance.

Third party only, hence why I don't like the loading. I get Rogerborg's point but I don't really see how that's my problem.

On a fire & theft policy being garaged reduced the quote by £300. My reasoning was that I wouldn't claim if it got stolen from home, but I'd still be covered if it was stolen when out and about.

However a friend got paid out on his Firestorm, after it was stolen from his garage. He didn't have a garage... and he had stacked it. Not condoning it, just saying Whistle
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Started with £660, now at £502.39 Smile
By just listing an alarm instead of "not in list" and garage.

Adding another rider regardless of their experience makes it go up.

Saying i'm employed as a nurse makes it go down another £50, but not sure I should do that, Anyone ever been asked for occupation proof?
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/insurance/car-insurance-job-picker/

M.C wrote:
I get Rogerborg's point but I don't really see how that's my problem.

Because in principle it leaves you vulnerable to being sued to recover any third party payout that they're forced to make.

In practice it's unlikely and so a rational gamble (which is all insurance is to begin with). So I'm not disagreeing with your assessment, just making a note in the margin for those playing along at home.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal-El wrote:

Adding another rider regardless of their experience makes it go up.

Saying i'm employed as a nurse makes it go down another £50, but not sure I should do that, Anyone ever been asked for occupation proof?

Ah ok, must be a car thing then. A friend added multiple additional (experienced) drivers to bring his car insurance down Very Happy

They might ask you to confirm your occupation, so remember your lies (always a good idea). Only possible problem I can see is if you claim for loss of earnings, then they confirm this with your employer, who if its Mike Auto's they might guess you're not actually a nurse.

Anyway it's the closest occupation to your job. I'm not actually a mechanic, I do a bit with a whole load of other crap, so could actually list my occupation as a few different things.

Rogerborg wrote:

Because in principle it leaves you vulnerable to being sued to recover any third party payout that they're forced to make.

In practice it's unlikely and so a rational gamble (which is all insurance is to begin with). So I'm not disagreeing with your assessment, just making a note in the margin for those playing along at home.

Didn't you once say if your bike got stolen, you'd just call up and get them to stop the policy (without mentioning the theft)? I'd do the same. Yes it's a (small) gamble, but I hope with the immobiliser on my bike they wouldn't have it started within 30 seconds. Its not a street triple Smile
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 26 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal-El wrote:
Adding another rider regardless of their experience makes it go up.

Just checked myself, adding an additional (experienced) rider took about £6 off the quote Smile I was expecting more based on car quotes I've got. Oddly changing the amount of use for the additional rider didn't seem to make a difference (infrequent/never).
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 29 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Immobiliser on the GPZ dropped the premium by £30

Best tip to reduce insurance ius to not ride into things
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 29 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard a rumour that if you just wear a hoodie that covers part of your face you don't need to pay for insurance.... the police allegedly won't bother you, even if you ride through red lights etc.


I can't imagine there's any truth to it though
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 29 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of years ago I would have said just have a sex change. (Or keep your meat and two vedge and just lie if you're not adventurous enough).

After all I can't imagine they would ever ask for proof in any circumstance, and if they did you could just tuck everything to the back and send them a photo of your 'mangina' as evidence.

I don't think gender makes much of a difference now though?
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PostPosted: 06:53 - 30 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReadySalted wrote:
I don't think gender makes much of a difference now though?

It shouldn't do, but when has that ever mattered to insurers?

I've just taken the liberty of running two comparison site quotes, both in private sessions, in parrallel, using exactly the same details, with one exception:

Ms Jane Smith gets these quotes:

https://i.imgur.com/B1m0Mws.png



Mr Adebowele Wang gets these:

https://i.imgur.com/b9CcFDR.png

My, my, my. Higher minimum, higher average, and "Principal Insurance", is you racists then, or is it more of a sexist thing? Thinking
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 30 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just ran some quotes, cookies etc. cleared & using a different proxy each time.

Mr Adebambo Oduwole & Ms Rachel Riley Wub got exactly the same quotes as each other. Also ran a quote as a bloke with an English sounding name, exactly the same prices again.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 30 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embrace my Wang.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 01 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing that gets me is that insurance quotes vary hour to hour, day to day.

How on earth can the perceived insurance risk of a bike go up and down on such a regular basis. It has to have more to do with stats, and number juggling by the companies than it has to do with the risk of theft or accident, so it must be a sham - still, tell us something we don't already know.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 01 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always have 0 voluntary excess, it changes the premium by as little as £10 on the cheapest quote for me.
So paying £250 fixed and £500 voluntary is £750 excess!
Just having a fixed £250 is much easier to swallow come claim time, for the sake of £10.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 01 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReadySalted wrote:
The thing that gets me is that insurance quotes vary hour to hour, day to day.


No idea if this is the case, but possible that it is the similar as with wholesale prices.

For example company I work for has prices that are cost price + markup. Cost price comes down to batches, so if we have 2 pallets of some item, one bought in at £100 per item and the other bought in a couple of days later at £110 per item. Average price is £105, but as the first batch is sold the average price goes up.

Possible that the brokers are buying policies in some kind of batch.

Or that they are just adjusting their markups to meet some kind of cutoff for a bonus.

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PostPosted: 20:34 - 01 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm beginning to wonder if inserting my Wang second is what caused unwanted complications.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 01 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Removing your wang is always a good idea.

Things can get awfully expensive otherwise.
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