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Jaymz1975
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 02 May 2016    Post subject: Passed CBT last week Reply with quote

Hi there,

First post on BCF.

Passed my CBT last week, which I found an enjoyable experience. Been out on the YBR couple of times since which included a trip through central Bradford......a very interesting experience!

Anyway main reason for posting is to ask you guys if you have any advice regarding safe filtering through traffic. Filtering is the main area where I lack confidence and as I don't believe you cover this until full license, I'd be interested to get any pointers??

Cheers,
James.
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wristjob
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 02 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont go stupidly fast between cars(you can even on a 125)
dont do it if you dont feel happy doing it.
only you can decide the right time and place to do it.
hope this helps
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 02 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Passed CBT last week Reply with quote

Jaymz1975 wrote:
I don't believe you cover this until full license

It's not required for the tests, so isn't going to be taught except accidentally.

First thing, decide whether it's worth it. There are very few places on my commute where it's worthwhile, since the limiting factor is red lights. Unless you can beat a cycle, being first in the queue at the next red gains you nothing except Man Points, a longer wait, and the ire of other road users.

Second, be super paranoid. Expect cars stuck in traffic to turn into side streets or driveways, or U- turn without indicating or looking. Doors will be opened, pedestrians will cross without looking, pedalists will change lanes in front of you on the assumption that nothing faster will be coming through. Slow progress is better than a trip in an ambulance.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 03 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Passed CBT last week Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Jaymz1975 wrote:
I don't believe you cover this until full license

It's not required for the tests, so isn't going to be taught except accidentally.

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I second that - I got my license last week and we never once touched on filtering. Until I took my new bike out on Friday, I hadn't even overtaken anything as the opportunity never came up when we were on the roads during training
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 03 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus, no motorway training, no pillion training. We have a very peculiar training and test regime.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 03 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am yet to look into what the mod 1 and 2 actually covers,
I will search this myself soon, am I right in thinking Mod 1 is manoeuvres and such at a centre and mod 2 is a road ride?

That is just the little bits I have picked up on in threads and started assuming,
I also assumed the mod 2 would at least cover motorways,
Surely some national speed limit 70 roads at least?

I'll just continue practicing my manoeuvres and such for now,

I will read up about it properly soon, was just surprised to read the no motorways comment by Rogerborg
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Jaymz1975
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 03 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all your responses. Guess it's just a case of continuing to practice.

Good point about no motorway or pillion training. I have to admit that I find it strange that you can do a CBT and go out on the road with just one days training and no formal test...not even a theory test, but you have to do a full on test to go solo in a car.........
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 03 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't copy/follow other bikes, they're normally either braver/stupider or going for a gap which won't be there for you. Rogerborg makes a good point, personally if I know I can make it through the lights I don't bother filtering, it's just a lot of risk for very little reward.

One area to be particularly careful is filtering through the middle (of two queues of traffic). Unless you've seen the lights turn red you might not have time to get to the front, and also don't put yourself in a situation where you need a vehicle to either move or not move, that's how you get your feet run over or a mirror clattering your head.

I never really understood filtering until I went for a ride with an experienced friend, he just seemed to be effortlessly timing everything right and slotting back in at the right time.

Also I've noticed cagers tend to get a little less pi$$ed off if you slot in a few places back* (where there's room), rather than filtering to the front where the first car tries to beat you off the line Smile

*Except the Merc' on my way home tonight, that tried to get back past me, then when he couldn't aggressively tailgated me. I filtered to get away from him at the next set of lights Razz
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 03 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Also I've noticed cagers tend to get a little less pi$$ed off if you slot in a few places back* (where there's room), rather than filtering to the front where the first car tries to beat you off the line Smile

One of the advantages of a bigger bike (and in this I class the Enfield as a smaller bike) is that you don't need to dangle yourself out way in front of them. I wouldn't want several car lengths back, but I do like to roll slowly up to behind the door pillar then blow through when the lights change. You're getting out in front either way, there's no sense in giving them time to get steamed up about your illegal queue jumping. Mad

(Different rules in That London or other bike heavy locales, I'm talking about routes where bikes are relatively few and far between).
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 03 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on the pass Smile Best advice I've got is to build it up slowly until you get confident. Practice by filtering when there's only a few cars and you've got an easy out if you bugger it up. Also, sitting in between lanes is usually fine at lights if everyone is going in a straight line (probably won't die) but don't do it on a roundabout unless you know you can make it out before anyone else and get into one of the lanes as they're often not clearly marked.

It's all about the experience building though. Once you're comfortable with it you'll be fine and it'll make you a better rider because you'll become more aware of other traffic and its intentions.
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