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PostPosted: 14:03 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Going TPO with no intentions to claim...QUESTION! Reply with quote

Yes it is I. Again.


Say I put my voluntary to £500 and social only with less than 1000 miles a year. The hypothetical bike will be kept elsewhere for 4/7 days... all in a bid to lower my premiums... I don't plan on claiming at all. I just want to be covered until I garner 1 years NCB. Will the policy be void even if I DON'T claim and hit a 3rd party. Meaning, will I be liable to pay for the 3rd party if they find out I covered 5,000 miles instead of 1,000 stated? Or is that only applicable if I were to make a claim?

This route remains a velleity...
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you intentionally defrauding your insurance company in a manner which could cause your insurance to be cancelled?

If so, and if found out, you'll never be able to get insurance again for less than eleventy thousand ponds
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Monkey wrote:
Are you intentionally defrauding your insurance company in a manner which could cause your insurance to be cancelled?

If so, and if found out, you'll never be able to get insurance again for less than eleventy thousand ponds


I've read that it only matters if you make a claim- which I won't be doing. I couldn't even estimate my annual mileage, I am not a prophet. I am a synthetic being, looking to snatch a cheap bike insurance quotey quote quote through all but nefarious means...
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you mean by "kept elsewhere"?

Keeping it at a different place to the registered address, or different to your home address may cause the insurance co to question you a bit more closely*, so don't say it if it isn't true.

As for doing 5 times as many miles as estimated ... well, true, they're unlikely to find out if you don't claim, but that doesn't mean it's not fraudulent.

Like the man said, get found out and it's major BUTT PAIN for years to come.


* When Mrs Evil Hans arranged her bike insurance online, the ins co called her back to confirm, on record, the garaging arrangements - amongst other details. Probably because so many scrotes are lying through their teeth and then claiming it was a genuine typo on the original application form.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Going TPO with no intentions to claim...QUESTION! Reply with quote

Cronik wrote:
all in a bid to lower my premiums

Have you verified that being a pikey actually gets the lowest quote? Try being honest and seeing what the difference is.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Going TPO with no intentions to claim...QUESTION! Reply with quote

Cronik wrote:
Yes it is I. Again.


Say I put my voluntary to £500 and social only with less than 1000 miles a year. The hypothetical bike will be kept elsewhere for 4/7 days... all in a bid to lower my premiums... I don't plan on claiming at all. I just want to be covered until I garner 1 years NCB. Will the policy be void even if I DON'T claim and hit a 3rd party. Meaning, will I be liable to pay for the 3rd party if they find out I covered 5,000 miles instead of 1,000 stated? Or is that only applicable if I were to make a claim?

This route remains a velleity...


You're third party only. You can't make a claim. (at least, not an "at fault" one")

Voluntary excess is meaningless for TPO, as you can't make an "at fault" claim, so you can ignore that.

If you exceed declared annual mileage, and someone claims against you, you could well up pooh street, depends on the value of the claim and the smallprint in the policy as to how fine a tooth comb they choose to go through things with!!
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Going TPO with no intentions to claim...QUESTION! Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Cronik wrote:
all in a bid to lower my premiums

Have you verified that being a pikey actually gets the lowest quote? Try being honest and seeing what the difference is.


I will actually be keeping it at my sisters address a few days a week. 3/4?

£257 and some stray pennies is my pikey dummy quote.

£900+ is the sore area if I were being an upstanding citizen.

£1200-no upper limit if I were being insurers pet.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't you just do it correctly and grin and bare the costs this year?
Can be alot, look at paying monthly maybe, but this will increase the cost overall again
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan1986 wrote:
Can't you just do it correctly and grin and bare the costs this year?
Can be alot, look at paying monthly maybe, but this will increase the cost overall again


Being a 19 year old snivelwart who still lives at home with mother hen, father hen, and sister hen, the most I have ever spent is £150- which is monthly 'keep' to nourish the nest.

The most on a single materialistic lump? £50

Some Sennheiser HD518 I sniffed up on Black Friday they were. After having night sweats after spending £400+ on HD600+O2 Objective Amp I had to recoup my spends and tell Amazon I wanted out from the audiophile world. I settled with the HD518, although I still glance at them in disdain.

I am frugal and stubborn. A deadly combination.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Straying off-topic.. What if you're bike is stolen?
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thought is if you have got by with no bike all this time can you continue doing that? Use public transport or whatever and save up some cash,
You have plenty of years left to ride a bike,
Tell everyone you want money for your birthday and no chump change
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much the insurance company would try and find a reason to invalidate your policy will depend mostly on how big the claim is.

You tell them you do 1k miles annually, okay, how far is it from your home to where you work? It's probably not very tricky to catch you out on how many miles you're doing, especially if you've not got use of another vehicle and no one else uses your bike.

It's the same deal with telling them you live at your sisters address, if they're faced with a big claim then it wouldn't be too complicated to catch you out on that as well.

The good news is that your insurer still has to pay out to third parties and there's also the Motor Insurers Bureau who pay out to people hit by uninsured drivers. The bad news is that they can then attempt to recover all their costs from you which could be into the millions.

How much difference to quotes does telling them you're doing 1k miles annually rather than 5k or 10k make?
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hefty wrote:
Straying off-topic.. What if you're bike is stolen?


The prices for bikes I'm looking at are arOOUNNd the £1000-£1400 markie.

TPT&T insurance is around the £1000-£1400 markie.

Catching 1 years NCB pulls my 'true' quotes down a gooooooood chunk. To about £250-£350. My true, Liverpool driveway residing, commuting largely, 10k miles a year quote.

I would much rather risk 1 year with the highly renown Almaxx, double disc lock, camera positioned on bike, night-light, bike cover, possibly an alarm than on the good word of my insurer, whom If i do claim for theft, would still sting me in the years to come.

Bike + security + TP = £1550?
Bike + TPT&T = £2000+


After I have 1 years NCB, I will play the game more loosely. As of now though: king of hearts, meet nose-tip.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan1986 wrote:
Another thought is if you have got by with no bike all this time can you continue doing that? Use public transport or whatever and save up some cash,
You have plenty of years left to ride a bike,
Tell everyone you want money for your birthday and no chump change


I have £2600 stacked up (possibly 12 years it took to save). I don't have a job yet, as I was in college bashing away at the Old Joanna and now that my course has dissolved (both tutors suspended, course fell into disarray)- I need a pathway that will be more 'job' suitable.

Do I want to be a white-collar office drone, or a blue-collar finger to the bone man? Is what I cannot decide...I'm just a wanderer.

The bike idea is the closest I've come to doing anything that I've otherwise, baselessly, deemed unattainable. It took me 7 months to finally do my CBT.

If I wait any longer to get into biking, I probably never will...
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

In your shoes I might well cut some corners. If you lie to your insurers you'd better be careful that you don't leave enough clues on the internet for someone to work out who you are and dob you in.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undinist wrote:
In your shoes I might well cut some corners. If you lie to your insurers you'd better be careful that you don't leave enough clues on the internet for someone to work out who you are and dob you in.


Oversight, if any.

They estimated what my annual mileage will be, so I estimated.

A rough calculation.

Who sets the parameters for how 'rough' these calculations can be?


Are they in here?
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about getting a crappy old moped for the first year? Gets you mobile and it's cheap.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who sets the parameters for how 'rough' these calculations can be?

No idea but if you go over what you've told them your annual mileage will be then you're meant to update them. Saying 1,000 miles when it's actually 5,000 miles isn't a rough estimate. Razz

How much difference to quotes does telling them you're doing 1k miles annually rather than 5k or 10k make?

The parameters for how rough the calculations can be will all be in the policy booklet and the t&c page on their website.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

How much difference to quotes does telling them you're doing 1k miles annually rather than 5k or 10k make?


I can't be arsed to try it now but last time I tried something like 4999 instead of 5000 and it did come back cheaper. Only something like £10 between 2k and 5k though.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cronik wrote:
Hefty wrote:
Straying off-topic.. What if you're bike is stolen?


The prices for bikes I'm looking at are arOOUNNd the £1000-£1400 markie.

TPT&T insurance is around the £1000-£1400 markie.

Catching 1 years NCB pulls my 'true' quotes down a gooooooood chunk. To about £250-£350. My true, Liverpool driveway residing, commuting largely, 10k miles a year quote.

I would much rather risk 1 year with the highly renown Almaxx, double disc lock, camera positioned on bike, night-light, bike cover, possibly an alarm than on the good word of my insurer, whom If i do claim for theft, would still sting me in the years to come.

Bike + security + TP = £1550?
Bike + TPT&T = £2000+


After I have 1 years NCB, I will play the game more loosely. As of now though: king of hearts, meet nose-tip.

And if some pikey gets pissed off he can't nick it and just torches it?
What about security when your out and about? Those chains ain't something you want to take to work and back every day.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
How much the insurance company would try and find a reason to invalidate your policy will depend mostly on how big the claim is.


Strictly speaking the size of the loss should have no bearing on the action taken; a £200 claim should be treated the same as a £2m one. In reality, the amount of attention given by the claims handler to smaller claims is not likely to be anywhere near as high, but what will flag up immediately is the driving licence / V5 etc all being in the wrong address and that will mean further investigation - if they're on the ball and doing their job right, that day of the week.

Deliberate / reckless misrepresentation and / or non disclosure means the CIDRA 2012 reforms afford you absolutely balls all 'protection' from the big bad insurer going fully mental on your sneaky cheating ass. You're looking at policy avoidance and the full weight of any legal action taken by the insurer as a result of their liabilities under RTA.

Up to you of course, but if you're going to do it, at least be smart about it and change all your documents around to suit / come up with the right excuses about how your Uncle Peter File has been using the bike under his insurance but you haven't, which is why the mileage has discrepancies etc. Not that I'd encourage it, at all.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil Hans wrote:

* When Mrs Evil Hans arranged her bike insurance online, the ins co called her back to confirm, on record, the garaging arrangements - amongst other details. Probably because so many scrotes are lying through their teeth and then claiming it was a genuine typo on the original application form.

Scrote here Wink Always declared the bike as garaged (and never had anyone query this). On a TPO policy I'm not willing to pay more when I don't even have theft protection, on a F&T policy you might have relativity secure parking at home, but want cover for when the bikes away from your home address (parking on street in London for example).
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens if you crash said bike into the back of a car that stops destroying bike and cracking the cars bumper


They claim
You lose ncb that you havnt got yet and you have no bike

Just find a bike and suck it up for a year ffs
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 10 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I look at cutting corners with insurance is the same way I look at riding illegally without a license or insurance etc.. Theres countless who do it, day in day out & never get caught, but it'd be the one time that I take the risk & Police Police Police

I'd sooner just know that theres no skeletons in the closet when someone comes knocking.
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