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PostPosted: 18:15 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Fibre Reply with quote

I haven't mentioned it much* but I have cripplingly slow internet speed. I've recently found out that every street around mine has a fibre connection, apart from mine. I've called BT and they've fobbed me off onto a form on their Openreach site, which I've dutifully sent off.

In the mean time I'd like to do some digging. My exchange is Morley, Leeds and I'm fed from cabinet 74. I'd like to find out what other streets are fed from this cabinet, which other cabinets are fibre enabled and hopefully a rough date, to the nearest decade, when I should expect an upgrade.

I wonder if it would be worth making a deal with somebody who lives on the main road, 100 yards from my house and just feeding a CAT5 cable back to my house...

*Only every other post...
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fibre only normally goes to the cabinet anyway. How far in distance is your house from the cabinet?
If your neighbour can get "fibre" then you can too most likely.

Unless you actually wanted fibre to your house but this is not that common. Things like Virgin Media packages sometimes have fibre to the house.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Fibre Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
I'd like to find out what other streets are fed from this cabinet, which other cabinets are fibre enabled and hopefully a rough date, to the nearest decade, when I should expect an upgrade.

https://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange_mapping

You can probably expect an upgrade within the next decade.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Virgin want nothing to do with us peasants. The actual green box is right at the end of the street, which is about six houses or 80 yards away. The exchange is a few miles away.
When I say neighbour, I mean the next street. Main road has fibre, my cul de sac doesn't. Next street over has it, the one in the other direction does too and the street behind. It's like they've done it on purpose Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
The actual green box is right at the end of the street, which is about six houses or 80 yards away.

Like the one on the left in this photo?

https://i.imgur.com/23CqM2i.jpg
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roughly, ours is smaller but it's only serving two streets of about 20 houses.

Samknows, bizarrely thinks that FTTC is enabled. Maybe I should call BT again with a more shouty voice?
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does this BT page say when you enter your phone number?

https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BT BROADBAND AVAILABILITY CHECKER
Featured Products

Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)

Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)

Downstream Range(Mbps)

Availability Date

WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 1 -- 1 to 3.5 Available
ADSL Max Up to 1 -- 0.75 to 2.5 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 0.5 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 0.5 -- -- Available
Other Offerings
Copper Multicast -- -- -- Available
For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage.


Sorry for the crappy copy pasta...
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

In that case it sounds like you're connected to a different cabinet than you think you are.

You say that samknows thinks FTTC is enabled, that's when entering your phone number on this page? https://www.samknows.com/broadband/broadband_checker
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The following services are available in your location:

BT Wholesale ADSL
BT Wholesale ADSL Max
BT Wholesale WBC (21CN)
BT Wholesale SDSL
Vodafone LLU
TalkTalk (CPW) LLU
Sky Broadband


So... No fibre Crying or Very sad

I'm slowly coming to terms with that. Maybe I'll even get some info from Openreach.

I was looking for a way to find what cabinets are enabled though, or some sort of rollout schedule.

I wonder if they do 4G routers with a decent data cap yet...
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you care which cabinets are enabled? Yours isn't and it's the only one of relevance to you. Razz

Don't expect to get any useful information from OpenReach.

Ha @ getting a 4G connection with a decent data cap. Razz
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had a look, Giffgaff do a £20 per month, no contract, 4G unlimited data deal. I'm guessing it's not actually as good as it appears. Although, as it's 8x faster than my current connection I'll have to look into it when I get time.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
Just had a look, Giffgaff do a £20 per month, no contract, 4G unlimited data deal. I'm guessing it's not actually as good as it appears. Although, as it's 8x faster than my current connection I'll have to look into it when I get time.


No tethering and they will limit your usage if you do.

Best 4G deal I could find is Vodafone 20gb for £20pm. First 2 months unlimited.
Actually get a good speed 40-50mbps.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had a quick check and I've used about 56gb since the router last restarted 2 weeks ago and that's with 2mbit download.

I would still like to find out about the cabinets though. If there's barely any that aren't FTTC enabled, surely ours would get done sooner?
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe, although to some extent that depends why it's one of the few not to be FFTC enabled.

You're not going to get any meaningful answer from BT Openworld or by trying to predict where they're next going to install Infinity cabinets.

Even if you did find out that it's going to be done "sooner", that doesn't mean anything and it doesn't change anything.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste's correct - If there is no upgrade to the cabinet due on any of those sites, then it's likely not going to be done for a long time. If other streets are connected and you seem to be the only ones without, you're street is probably not worth connecting up as a business case. So I wouldn't bank on it being done in the next year, two.

BT won't be able to tell you anything, if the system says no, then it means no, unfortunately.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking about it, if there's anything happening soon then the BT Openworld engineers will know about it.

When you see them parked up doing something at one of the Infinity cabinets (locally) then go and ask.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been tempted to ask a few times, but then realised what a tit I'd look. Worth embarrassing myself for at this point, I'm sure my parents house had this speed internet in 2003.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this. 77 cabinets served from my exchange, 9 of them have no fibre. Of these, 7 are business or school areas, which I assume use a different type of connection and one is a new estate.
I'm really starting to get upset about this.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
I found this. 77 cabinets served from my exchange, 9 of them have no fibre. Of these, 7 are business or school areas, which I assume use a different type of connection and one is a new estate.
I'm really starting to get upset about this.


Small - Medium businesses run on the same kind of broadband as the consumer side. You can get dedicated lines (The school might) but generally the businesses will just be on a normal line (Probably the same service you are).

They have a target to hit in the next few years where x percent has to be on fast BB, they're going to roll it out where there is the best impact for these numbers.

Ultimately there is nothing you can do about it.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I say business, I mean Asda, NHS and Carlsberg as ones I know from looking at the map.

My dad worked for BT until last year, I'm going to ask him tomorrow if there's anybody I can shout at about this.

Apparently there's a scheme to self fund, but from what I've been able to research it costs around £12k so even if I managed to get the whole of the two small streets that are fed off this cabinet on board with paying, it would still be around £500 each.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hint: shouting at people isn't going to get them to want to help you.

Another hint: there isn't anyone at BT who you can shout at about it.

Another hint: OfCom are the ones pulling the strings with the government's "superfast" broadband rollout.

£12k sounds very cheap for installing an Infinity cabinet, laying fibre from the exchange to the cabinet and connecting it all up. Confused
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mean I'll actually shout at them, it's not the fault of the guy in the call centre. Besides, being cheerful and friendly on the phone makes everything go so much smoother.

I can at least ask if there's anything to do, can't hurt.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There isn't anything you can do.

But if you do want to phone and ask someone, phone Openreach rather than BT. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 06 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Planning on doing this in the morning, although they hide their numbers very well to say there's a whole "contact us" section of their website. Took me a few minutes to find them!
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