£12.50 daily charge for pre-'07 bikes in London

Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

I agree that once we've solved the problem of the carbon-based units infesting the roadway, driverless cars will get on great.
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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Driverless cars are one option.

A transport system that propels pods through airtight tubes at 700mph is another option.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36292467

(Black cabs aren't an option.)

Undinist · Nearly there... Joined: 08 Oct 2013 Karma :

Driverless cars will be here soon. Even in London. Read the papers, people!

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Kris · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

As an example of the type of thinking involved I've attached an image which seems to be at the core of the ~~brainwashing~~ Powerpoint seminars taking place. Basically, we're not safe enough to be trusted any more.
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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Kris · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

Heh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTLMGjp-AIQ

I can see way too many variables on the road to currently make it a viable prospect but give it ten years or so..
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Kris · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

Anyone see the 2016 Queen's speech? Modern Transport Bill?

Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Eh, just more slop in the trough. If reality cared about legislation, the value of pi would be exactly three.
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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

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Vracktal · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Oct 2012 Karma :

Never forget.

https://i.imgur.com/xEolYtJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/3WQh2ov.png

(total motorcycle emissions are the tiiiiny blue sliver at the bottom.)

Source: Transport for London.
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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Oh, I'm sure Leon has brought TfL's own figures to their attention.

Certain of it.

At this point, Action would constitute a judicial review on the grounds that the charge is disproportionate.
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Derivative · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Karma :

I've lost the link now but I'm fairly sure the congestion charge has virtually eliminated private cars in Central anyway. The figure was something like 1 in 20 private during the hours of operation. For a commercial driver (delivery vans, trade workers, etc) it's just a figure off the bottom line, essentially a tax.

You could make it fifty quid and all you'll achieve is to make services more expensive. There's no lack of demand.

I personally think the emissions angle is a convenient scapegoat to reduce (or stabilise) the usage of cars in the city. Which frankly isn't a bad idea, if public transport grows to meet the demand. But I don't see that ever happening. The underground is 100 years old and is slower in some places than it was back then.

Basically, it's about cultivating the image that you don't drive in London. And it seems to have worked - regardless of my knowledge that it's a fairly viable thing to do, friends in the Outer Regions consider it impossible despite having never tried.

M.C · Super Spammer Joined: 29 Sep 2015 Karma :

Separate to ULEZ, (potentially) doubling the congestion charge for older vehicles from next year: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37607047 just for the hell of it.

I'm wondering where that leaves older bikes, they don't currently pay the congestion charge.

MATTT · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 20 Dec 2015 Karma :

I assume if its a historic vehice,my yamaha YDS5 is 1968 its still going to be an extra tenner?

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MATTT · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 20 Dec 2015 Karma :

I think a 2 stroke is less of the devils chariot than a diesel car these days Shocked

M.C · Super Spammer Joined: 29 Sep 2015 Karma :

Seeing as the government actively encouraged people to buy diesels they shouldn't be charging anyone. Or was that the plan? Thinking

Mawsley · Traffic Copper Joined: 07 Apr 2016 Karma :

I don't remember being actively encouraged to buy a diesel. Maybe I was at the pub when the government popped round, they should have left a note.

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M.C · Super Spammer Joined: 29 Sep 2015 Karma :

It's one of those situations that highlight those in power really don't have clue. If you've ever been to a city, and ever stood behind a bus or a taxi you'll know diesel fumes are f'ing toxic.

Even Clarkson on one of his shows many years ago (you can date these things by his hairstyle) warned environmentalists that diesel wasn't the answer. I think they should be banned from cities full stop.