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PostPosted: 21:23 - 29 Mar 2016    Post subject: I may be about to buy a steel plant... Reply with quote

And so might you.

Port Talbot steelworks, losing 1m a day, should be available for a snip.

Potentially being saved by a Tory govt.... Should go down well in south Wales.

FWIW I'm all for keeping a level of heavy industry / capability in the UK and think it's a good thing to keep it.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 29 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
How many does it employ and support? £365M a year is easily burnt in unemployment benefit and local economic loss.

We need to maintain sone steel production,


Funny because that sounds like a union lefty position. Smile
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 29 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be very surprised if the tories jump in, they seem quite content selling everything else off, whether it makes a profit or not, but once a steel works is gone, it's gone.
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 29 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spend money in a Labour strong hold? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 29 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Spend money in a Labour strong hold?

Why not? They pour shitloads of money into SNP strongholds.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 29 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't we get the EU to contribute. They pay for everyone elses shortfalls.
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PostPosted: 07:16 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

<CynicalRealism> A Chinese firm will buy it to much fêting and fanfare about global partnerships, rake in some fat subsidies that will cost us as much as nationalising it, then will kill it slowly just to watch it die. </CynicalRealism>
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PostPosted: 07:47 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Why can't we get the EU to contribute. They pay for everyone elses shortfalls.


They go on about the ' influence' the eu has, yet when it comes to sticking tariffs on cheap chinese shit steel, they stuck 20% on, while america has stuck 200% on

The cynic in me reckons the eu has allowed this to happen to try and fuel short term growth in the eu while selling industry down the river.

It's a joke that via eu procurement rules, the uk can't use all british steel for public sector infrastructure.
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

remember when British Steel was the best quality and wanted world wide? Im pretty sure that there is a reason bridges built from steel many years ago are pretty much still going strong, modern steel bridges are failing quite regularly, wonder why that is.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
modern steel bridges are failing quite regularly, wonder why that is.

Climate change?
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
remember when British Steel was the best quality and wanted world wide? Im pretty sure that there is a reason bridges built from steel many years ago are pretty much still going strong, modern steel bridges are failing quite regularly, wonder why that is.


A far greater level of design optimisation.

Same way old engines wore out and new ones dont, they just throw rods out of the block at 100k because they've been designed to a life and cost.

In the past, you wanted a bridge for 50 years, you designed it and wound up with something so conservative that no one could ever justify building it nowadays, but it would then last well in excess of 50 years.

Now you design a bridge for 50 years and it lasts 50 years, less if you increase the loading beyond the design intent.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

like the Forth road Bridge then. a kick in the arse off 20 million quid and it starts to break after 50 odd years. I presume they didnt forsee the amount of traffic in them days.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
like the Forth road Bridge then. a kick in the arse off 20 million quid and it starts to break after 50 odd years. I presume they didnt forsee the amount of traffic in them days.

Perhaps they should have kept the paint scheme up together.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
like the Forth road Bridge then. a kick in the arse off 20 million quid and it starts to break after 50 odd years. I presume they didnt forsee the amount of traffic in them days.

Ha! The new one is costing 1.6 billion. That's 40 quid from every Scottish taxpayer. And 40 quid from every English one too.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the EU allows the UK government to use taxpayers money to shore up a failing industry.

Unless it's a bank of course.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
How many does it employ and support?


15'000, plus their families I guess.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
like the Forth road Bridge then. a kick in the arse off 20 million quid and it starts to break after 50 odd years. I presume they didnt forsee the amount of traffic in them days.


11.5 million (the rest was messing about with the roads on either side)

Opened in 1964 so 51 years until the first substantial failure

Original planned lifespan was 120 years and it's been routinely carrying double the design limit number of vehicles since at least 2006. Thats not out of order IMHO, especially given the maintenance hassles.

The bigger issue with the forth bridge is the corrosion of the catenary cables
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
mpd72 wrote:
How many does it employ and support?

15'000, plus their families I guess.

Plus the knock on effect of all that spending power disappearing.

Then come the plummeting house prices the the repossessions and the boarded up houses and falling collection of business and domestic rates while demand for services spirals. Within a generation, the whole region will become an economic, social and educational sink hole.

It's about as bad as it gets.

The solution is, of course, to squeeze other people for more tax money in order to keep a failing industry on life support indefinitely. Perhaps supported by some marches and strikes.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I'll always put the boot into Brussels, in this case it was Camœron that just hammered the final nail into the coffin of UK steel manufacturing.

Pity that nail will be made in China, but there you go, globalism.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:26 - 30 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
remember when British Steel was the best quality and wanted world wide?.


One of the reasons Rome dominated initially was because of the Marian reforms. This transformed their military so they come dominate as their armies were of the highest quality. What got them in the end were two things. Lack of places to conquer and also lack of innovation.

They had dominated for so long they literally rested on their laurels thinking we're awesome everybody else is not awesome.

Take for example the it's all crap quality mate.

In 2007 they had a point. A Belgian company imported the Brilliance BS6 car to Europe (the BS6 was meant to be for the domestic market). It literally crashed and burned as it scored zilch in the Euro-NCAP test. People pointed laughed and said they're too dumb to make a decent car.

Except in 2012 the Ooros 3 was developed and put into production in 2013. It passed Euro-NCAP with 5 stars in 2013 it received best in class for NCAP safety tests.

https://euroncap.synapticdigital.com/Latest%20Release/euro-ncap-announces-the-best-in-class-cars-of-2013/s/566054fa-55b7-4b7a-a162-b9d06b9a2a6b

Secondly

When other nations develop they build their own capacity. Therefore they can make their own rather than buy it from you. When they build their new plants they use state of the art technology meaning plants in the older developed nations fall behind.
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