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Wonko The Sane
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: helping a new rider - what to go over and what to not? Reply with quote

A friend's wife has just passed her CBT and got herself a bike so she can get to work, she's new to the roads and a bit nervous so I said I'd go across and go with her on one of her first rides out for reassurance.

She's aiming to do her tests later this year but to help get her comfortable and confident on the road what information should I be going over / reminding her of and what should I leave for later?

I figured finding a quiet area for her to just get used to braking her bike and just general riding along with daily checks on her own bike.

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PostPosted: 21:13 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slip her the D.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Slip her the D.


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As kind as your offer is everyone has different habits that we might disagree on or ways of approaching certain things etc, if she feels she needs more training before she's confident to ride solo I'd say send her over to the local recommended training school.

Outside of that and given you're both going for a ride anyway I'd start out by watching her ride around and how she reacts to signs, road markings, junctions etc and then stop and discuss and continue on with rest brakes inbetween. Taking her on the exact route to and from work might might it easier on her in the short term also.

I'd say teach her to use bus lanes where signposted, keep in lane 1 unless otherwise required, rear brake at slow speeds and to come to the final part of a dead stop, road dominance (in terms of position) and how to look through the bends ie; keep your head up and look as far ahead as possible at all times. Oh, and to keep main low beam on at all times while riding.

Just answer all the questions she has and see how it goes. In honesty nothing but time and mile crunching will make her feel more at ease out on the roads.

Not to teach her how to suck eggs but just point out the obvious checks you do before every ride. How often to lube the chain. How often to top up tyres with air. How to check the killswitch isn't on etc.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go over gravel, wet things and potholes on corners.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:10 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have thought if she's "new to the roads", (I'm assuming you mean she doesn't drive a car either), then what she needs to come to terms with is being in traffic, how to cope with it and keep up with it.
Obviously that encompasses everything that goes with that situation, ie staying out of, how not to get in trouble and recognising what's going to cause trouble in the first place!
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:46 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Her house must be massive if she can ride a motorbike in the kitchen.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell her she can take the exhaust cover off to expose its heated metal surface to cook bacon on
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Key thing imho is don't overload her with too much information. The odd bit of advice here and there, but just let her ride how she wants to ride, and give clear advice if she's doing something dangerous or wrong.

This thread is hilarious btw.
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 15 May 2016    Post subject: Re: helping a new rider - what to go over and what to not? Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
A friend's wife...

I figured finding a quiet area...


I don't think you need any advice.
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 15 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a scooter or a geared bike?

If it's a geared bike then practice with gears would probably help. The less she has to worry about concentrating on controlling the bike the more she can concentrate on the other stuff. Things like junctions where she'll need to be in the right gear to pull away.

Does she know and understand roadsigns etc?

Go out for a Sunday ride somewhere with traffic but not too busy.
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 15 May 2016    Post subject: Re: helping a new rider - what to go over and what to not? Reply with quote

recman wrote:
Wonko The Sane wrote:
A friend's wife...

I figured finding a quiet area...


I don't think you need any advice.


I'm happy with my own wife thanks.


She's worried about lots of things - I've suggested nipping to tesco if she's sure of the way so that she's focusing on "where do I need to position myself to go that way?" instead of riding around randomly trying to decide which way to go and possibly being hesitant.

She's worried just generally about first time on her own, worried about gears, mainly changing down and coming to a stop. I don't think she got out of 2nd on her CBT.

She intends to do her tests later this year when funds allow but I don't want to be showing how I do something and teaching her bad habits that she then has to unlearn.
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 15 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

She needs to be very much aware that other road users don't always do what's expected and ride very much expecting the worst,
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 15 May 2016    Post subject: Re: helping a new rider - what to go over and what to not? Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
She intends to do her tests later this year when funds allow but I don't want to be showing how I do something and teaching her bad habits that she then has to unlearn.


Then don't. I'd suggest getting her to follow you and copy proper road positioning etc, after she's happy with the stop start aspects of course.
Should be easy enough to spot what, if anything, she'll be struggling with.
Not much more to it really.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 15 May 2016    Post subject: Re: helping a new rider - what to go over and what to not? Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
I'm happy with my own wife thanks.

So's the postman.

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OK, seriously, I'd put a couple of hours into stop-start, clutch slipping and slow speed control. It might have been skimped on during her CBT and junctions are the most stressful part for a newer rider.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 15 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

youre going to go over stuff with her and help her.. but need to ask yourself what you should go over with her...
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 15 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enduro Numpty wrote:
She needs to be very much aware that other road users don't always do what's expected and ride very much expecting the worst,


Further to my above post: I decided to take the Fireblade out on my favourite local roads. Not far from home and doing a reasonably sensible speed I found myself quickly catching up on a small red car on a long straight. The car appeared to move over to the far left which I interpreted as that they had seen me and were making plenty of room to overtake. I went from neutral throttle to moderate acceleration and just as I went to pull out to pass, a right hand indicator came on! I braked seriously hard and positioned myself to the left but the car was blocking the road. By this time the rear wheel of the bike was airborne and I'm looking for a route along the grass verge. Just in time the car did turn (into a field) and there was no more drama. At no point did brake lights come on and the time from indicating to turning was probably less than a 2 seconds.

Try as I might I can't think, other than never over taking, how I could have read this situation any differently. I've been riding this section of road for 20 years and wasn't even aware there was an entrance to a field there yet a leisurely ride could have so easily turned to shit. Had the car not turned I'm fairly sure I'd scrubbed off enough speed that I could have let go of the brakes and rode through the grass verge.

After riding for 38 years I consider my hazard perception to be very good but I very nearly got caught out today! Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 16 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

First and foremost, before anything else she needs to learn to relax on the bike IMO. If you're tense, then you can't control the machine. If you can't control the machine, then the rest of it is for nothing. Relax, assume everyone is out to get you and have fun.

I've had the same kind of issue as my girlfriend has just done her CBT, and although she already drives, she keeps badgering me for advice. For the CBT I just said relax, as otherwise I might contradict the instructor or add too much to think about.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 16 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
First and foremost, before anything else she needs to learn to relax on the bike IMO. If you're tense, then you can't control the machine. If you can't control the machine, then the rest of it is for nothing. Relax, assume everyone is out to get you and have fun.

I've had the same kind of issue as my girlfriend has just done her CBT, and although she already drives, she keeps badgering me for advice. For the CBT I just said relax, as otherwise I might contradict the instructor or add too much to think about.


This is exactly why I'm asking,

If I were giving advice to someone who was just going to get a bike and get themselves through the tests without going to a training school I'd just go for rides out with them, stop off from time to time and comment on things I've observed and give advice on what to keep a lookout for, e.g. cars turning right through queuing traffic.
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