Tomahawk tyres - warning

[Guest]

Happened to a mate today, tyre fitted 100 miles ago, correct pressure, 80mph. He managed to stop ok

[stinkwheel]

'kin ell!!

Is it just the picture or is there no belting on that tyre? If not, why not, who fitted it, and why didn't they notice when it pushed onto the rim with their fingers?

I have seen (and experienced) blow-outs but wouldn't have thought it was possible for a tyre to fail in that manner.
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[stinkwheel]

And why can't you see the inside of the far wheel rim on that picture, the angle looks like you should be able to
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[fazed]

tomahawks are remoulds avoid them with a barge pole , similar or same as concordes , old carcasses new rubber and that pic shows the risk you take

[alains]

for normal use the best are MICHELIN M39 (very good on wet) and quite cheap . What happens here must be reported to consumers associations if they do not want to exchange them
i should have been very freightened
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[Retro-Man]

spent 5 years in the tyre trade and that my friend is classic remould shite.
But to blow away a common misconception. All tyres including michelin are made using seperate carcass and tread/sidewalls moulded on. the only diff is that the carcass on a new tyre is exactly that new.

when a tyre hits a kerb the internal lacing can get displaced/damaged this may not be noticeable on the carcass and the re-moulder happily puts it on the high street resulting in what we have here.
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[Zen Dog]

That is a bloody scary picture! Could of been very nasty if it had been the front

I chuck remoulds on the car, basically cos i don't care if lumps of rubber come off, but the bike gets the good stuff (currently pirelli's, and bridgestone's when its time for a change.
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[Finglonga]

I never have and never will use a remold.

On bikes.... its just not worth it you are talking about your life if it lets go at high speed. Just keep in mind your average motorcycle 600cc and above (sorry to those below 600cc) puts out the equivalent of super car power. Would you put a remold on a Ferrari or lambo?

On cars.... I have a 1.8 Mondeo and I can get tyres for mine for £20 (205 60's) and they are new! I do a lot of motorway / fast A road driving so again I don't want to risk a blowout or the tread separating from the carcass at these speeds. If you have a higher performance car then you need your head read if you even think about putting remolds onto it.

With any remold you just don't know the history of the original tyre, has it been in any accidents hit any obstacles etc.

The question is, are you willing to risk it for a few quid more? Not me!
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[sickpup]

Doen't just happen on remoulds. Certain tyre company paid me out a little over 2G for this one. It was on my GSXR1100 when I bought it with 25 miles and 6 months of age(the tyre), 140 miles down the M1 it gave out big time.

[Zen Dog]

And that one's the front, right? That must have been pretty sodding scary. Did you come off?
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[Guest]

Looks like there might be a happy ending..........



"the tyre was RE RATED to a ZR rating....

went today and....................................

bit of an anti climax really...new tyre ok

any brand i want!!!

and payment for damage....certainly sir,

so i didnt have to yell at any one!!!!!

oh well...promises are all well and good if they come off, so still chance to parallel park a scania up his ass!"

[sickpup]

[Lancey]

Wierd - I've got a set of Tomahawks on my bike and they've got a completely different tread pattern to the tyre in that photo. Do you know what type it is?

I've been using the medium "Sport" compound for commuting and track days on a 600 Chundercat and have absolutely no complaints about their performance. I've had the bike leaned over to within about half an inch of the rim on tracks and the tyres have never complained.

I'm planning to put together a cheap track bike for next season and will be using the extra-soft "Sprint" compound. Will let you know how I get on.

[Jamz]

That tread pattern is NOT from a Challenger Tomohawk tyre - or at least not from at least the past 2 years!!!

From this thread, i think you'd have to note that maybe the reason it's only the remoulds failing that we ever hear about, could be due to the fact that the major manufacturers buy your silence over the incident.....

I, like all of you should, think that the tyres are probably the most important part of a bike - so i don't skimp on quality.

However, after running top brand tyres on all my bikes, a few years ago i decided to buy a pair of Tomohawks for my ZXR400, figuring that if they were crap i could just get them changed straight away and never go back.

To cut a long story short, they're the best tyres i've ever had on a bike for grip and for confidence!!!

I think the highest corner speed i've tested them to was 130 banked over pretty far and they held absolutely perfectly - much better than the Dunlop 207's i'd had before on that bike (and i loved them until i'd tried these!).

I shall definately be fitting sets to any superbikes i own in the future, and i have built up 100% trust in these tyres in all compounds that i've tested over around 50,000 miles or more - in wet and dry and snow and all sorts!!!

Highly recommended by me for very hard road-riding

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[Grubby]

Weren't Tomohawks a particulerly shite pushbike once too
This story has scared the willies out of me. I'll never buy a remold, mind you you'd have to be absolutely friggin mental to do so on a Busa wouldn't you



Where do you buy them from again?

[swampy]

I used to have a Tomahawk bike lol, like a mini chopper (without gears), did me proud in the early eighties
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[Robby]

Generally the reviews of tomahawk remoulds have been that they grip well to a point, then just let go. No warning, no gradual slide nothing gentlemanly about it. One minute its fine, next minute your sliding on your arse.

I'd put remoulds on a car, but not on a bike. You don't have the luxury of 3 more wheels.

[sickpup]

[scooby doo]

I work round the corner from the factory so one day a few months ago went for a look around as i had seen the ad in mcn took 1 look at the process involved for remanufacturing the tyres and just ran out of the dirty little hole thay call a factory

[sickpup]

Dum di dum di dum....



And I think that shows the point quite well. No one wants to know that there new tyre could give way so easily with fuck all mileage on it.

Its all good saying 'fuck remoulds' but when you find out new top brand tyre's fall apart you hide your heads in the sand.

Anyone who has ridden big bikes, i.e. over 250cc for the last or in the last 10 years has probably had one of these tyres on their bike yet you don't care. Oh well, i tried.