Gas Safety Certificate

[Moo.]

Recently had a Gas Safety Certificate done for the landlord..

It came back with two fails... which I'm not too sure about.

Housemate was in at the time, i was away at work.. Otherwise i would have questioned it.

First "At risk" appliance. The cooker, marked down as the safety shutoff doesn't work on the hob.

I light up all the hob so they're burning, and lower the lid.. Just before it gets to the bottom, all hobs go out. Am i missing something? Should it do something else?

2nd "At risk" was that the gas meter doesnt have an earth connection, or an equipotential blergh...

https://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc49/Evil_Sheep117/IMG_20160525_175514699_zps2qxly7oz.jpg

Gas meter, no earth here... but as soon as the pipe goes inside.

https://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc49/Evil_Sheep117/IMG_20160525_175401252_zpsv6l7cokj.jpg

Theres a tab round the pipe, with a wire that goes into the fuse box, green and yellow wire

https://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc49/Evil_Sheep117/IMG_20160525_175419656_zpskw9ucuk3.jpg

Is this not enough earth? Should there be one on the outside?

Otherwise it'll cost me a new cooker and i presume paying someone to put another earth in...

Cheers BCF Gas Engineers!
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[331X2]

Earth bond is perfectly fine, within 600mm of where it enters the property.

Can't help with the safety cut off though, I r sparky.

[Alan1986]

Just because I'm curious, wouldn't any costs be down to your landlord to sort?
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[Fowlersrs]

Sounds to me like you haven't had a very competent engineer around.

Point of entry is acceptable for the earth so that's no problem. The cable should be 10mm aswell which it doesn't look far off that from photos.

As for the cooker if it's one with a lid and when you shut the lid all jobs go out then there's no issue unless he's referring to something else?

Did he right you out an at risk advice note explaining anything more?

[Hahadumball]

The gas cut off issue

turn gas on, light the hob and then instantly let go of the gas as it ignites

does the gas stop coming out if theres no flame?

it should cut the gas straight away if it doesn't stay ignited

as for earth its fine.
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[grr666]

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What he said about hob but the fail safe way to check is to just light it as normal then blow out the flame on the hob.
Does the gas stop or does it continue after you've blown it out?
There's your answer. It's more about prevention of release of gas than anything fire related.
It's to prevent an issue most typically caused by a pans boiling over extinguishing the flame. That's happened to
pretty much everybody who cooks at some time or other.

I'd have him back to do another test personally, at his cost. Just for missing the earth connection. If he's pissy
a call to gas safe with his number should put him straight. It's not something I'd want on any of my paperwork
for a property just in case. Speaking as a landlord, try getting an insurance claim through for any fire or
gas related claim with a doubtful gas safety certificate and you'll definitely end up out of pocket or possibly even in
prison if lives are lost.

Edit- If you are a tenant then as above quite rightly this is your landlords problem.But to a certain extent, it's also
yours to bring any concerns you have with things such as this to them asap so they can deal with it, and record you
have done so if you feel that's necessary. It's very important you can prove communication further down the line if it
goes that far.

Personally I would have been on site while test was conducted anyway I always am whenever I have anybody working
in one of mine. But in any case the landlord should be being more pro-active here if for no other reason than to cover his own arse.
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[lihp]

I'd say it's not your issue. Let your landlord deal with it or pay for remedial that isn't required.

If they was bothered they would have attended.
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[Moo.]

I got a warning notice that just has a tick box to say "At Risk"
With a single line to say hob satefy switch off and gas meter earth.

House is rented off parents

Ideally, I would have been there when it was done, but one of the other tenants was... I thought you it would be straight forward

I did wonder about the no-flame gas turn off, but the note specifically says it's the lid safety shutoff that's at fault. I read it's to stop glass lids getting hot and shatter...

Definetley going to try and get them back out at their cost...
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[Al]

The bonding wouldn't be classified as 'at risk' even if it was missing, on the unsafe situations book it just says to
'Leave a bonding notice informing the responsible person that protective equipotential bonding work should be checked/carried out by an electrically competent person'
They did away with the 'Not to current standards' classification.

The lid shut off could visibly be cutting the flame but perhaps had some let by if he did a tightness test on it.
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