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PostPosted: 14:26 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: How long should a motorbike last? Reply with quote

Have a Bandit1250 but its had its fair share of reliability issues. Last year I had issues with the speedo, this has since been fixed. Recently I had an FI warning that prevented my bike from starting. Turning the ignition off and back on resets the warning and I am then able to start it up again. Had it checked out and apparently its due to a worn ignition. (I assumed FI was fuel inection, turns out its Fault Indicator).

I also require new fork seals, where the exhaust pipes attach to the engine is very rusty. Plus my engine fan seems to come on a lot more than it used to. Garage topped up the engine coolant when I mentioned it. Bike has done just over 50,000 miles.

I am thinking of changing it but if the next bike has loads of issues before 50-60k then I dont feel theres much point. At what point in a car or motorbikes life do you consider getting rid? I feel that things are just gonna get worse in the long run, especially as the garage couldnt diagnose what triggered the FI warning. They said something about resetting the ECU but it could happen again.

What are good reliable bikes that dont lack horse power?
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:34 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get an FZ1.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I like about my GSX is that it isn't water cooled, so that immediately rules out problems associated with radiators, coolant and water pumps etc, very common problems.

Bandits as everyone knows are generally very reliable, sounds like you've been unlucky. If I was buying a bike, I look harder at bikes with 30k+, 50k+ and I really really look hard. Of course it depends what engine/bike it is and how it's been looked after. I suppose 50k is what you would expect a bike to reasonably last without developing major problems.

Car wise I raise an eyebrow at anything in the 100k-120k mark. Then it boils down to price Razz
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What I like about my GSX is that it isn't water cooled, so that immediately rules out problems associated with radiators, coolant and water pumps etc, very common problems.

Bandits as everyone knows are generally very reliable, sounds like you've been unlucky. If I was buying a bike, I look harder at bikes with 30k+, 50k+ and I really really look hard. Of course it depends what engine/bike it is and how it's been looked after. I suppose 50k is what you would expect a bike to reasonably last without developing major problems.

Car wise I raise an eyebrow at anything in the 100k-120k mark. Then it boils down to price Razz


I was hoping my bandit would be close to the 100k mark before it needed changing. Doesnt really look like that now. I guess being exposed to the elements takes its toll on bikes. When it comes to the engine I do agree that is pretty reliable. Never had issues with it, just what its placed in.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe a good overhaul will make it last another few thousand miles?
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

under_rated wrote:
Maybe a good overhaul will make it last another few thousand miles?


I expect it would last much more than that.

Sort out the headers with an oem used set on ebay, new barrel set and maybe a temp sensor. Max what, 300 quid on ebay? You'll get double the mileage from that bike. It's all about how it's kept. If you'd drenched it in ACF50, it wouldn't/shouldn't be rusted at all...

If you're desperate to change - Hayabusa. Largely faired so not many exposed areas. People buy them for touring and knock out 6 figure mileages with only routine maintenance. Crazy reliable, stupid fast, and too heavy to pick up with two guys and put in the back of a van - so somewhat pikey proof.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albigularis wrote:


I expect it would last much more than that.


Sorry I meant a few ten thousands of miles more Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A motorbike properly maintained will last forever.

Sickpup's Donkey had been round the clock 4 times by the time Anna got her hands on it.

The problem is once you get to serious serious mileage almost every single part of the bike becomes a consumable item.

My poor NTV had almost every part aside from the frame and the engine replaced.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like general wear and tear, which you will eventually get with any bike
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


My poor NTV had almost every part aside from the frame and the engine replaced.


Mate of mine the other day was talking to someone who'd put 160k on their ntv.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:


Mate of mine the other day was talking to someone who'd put 160k on their ntv.


Not even run in yet Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hah cool. So what did you put on yours?
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to recall reading an extract from the German Motorrad magazine, where they regularly strip down entire bikes after 50,000 km, and the 1250 Bandit had the least amount of engine wear of any of them. Definitely designed to last. Just look after the rest of the bike in the normal way. If anything, Suzuki are now one of the better built bikes available, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mechanic once told me that yer average Jap bike motor is built to do 70,000 miles before a rebuild.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda apparently tested the CB500 engine to 200,000 miles. Don't know what the rest of the bike would look like by then, though Smile
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Hah cool. So what did you put on yours?


Personally I put on around 100K. The thing is it had been round at least once before so it ended closer to 238K or maybe even 338K.


Relevant

The 200,000mile CBR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZUTfpw8NUM

100,000 miles later:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIHz-U_73BE

Dave Lambeth King of the XT600 has a special XT600 which was last seen with around 350K on it without a rebuild. That was in 2009 when I last saw that bike.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My FJR1300 is now nearly 7 years old with around 42K on the clock and is as reliable as it always was. I don't do much winter riding and I am fairly pedantic about maintenance which does make a big difference. I have no doubt that the engine is good for at least another 100K if I choose to keep it that long.

There are a good few FJR's on the road with well over 200K on the clocks and apart from regular servicing and a new cam chain and tensioner at 100k there appear to be no major issues.

The FJR is a particular reliable lump but the key to this reliability as with anything mechanical is servicing. I'm sure there will be a few neglected FJR's out there that die way before their time.
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Re: How long should a motorbike last? Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:
Have a Bandit1250 but its had its fair share of reliability issues. ?


Age of bike?
Miles per year?

How good are you at maintenance, because I have funny feeling that you are not too hot, given.
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Plus my engine fan seems to come on a lot more than it used to. Garage topped up the engine coolant when I mentioned it

That should be part of your regular checks.....

I consider getting rid, when cost of repairs start to become more than the value of said item.

TBH. You get back what you put in. Keep it clean (or ACF 50) and well maintained and it should last for years. But you have to remember that things like fork seals are going to wear out and 50K is dammed good for a set.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't keep them long enough to know.

Quite how anyone could do 300,000 miles on a CBR600 without being bored our of their mind is beyond me.

You need to define 'last'. You can keep pretty well any bike going indefinitely, but you can only really say that it lasts as long as it remains economically viable to keep it running. That all depends on it's value, the cost of maintenance, and the comparative cost of a serviceable replacement.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Re: How long should a motorbike last? Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:
Recently I had an FI warning that prevented my bike from starting. Turning the ignition off and back on resets the warning and I am then able to start it up again. Had it checked out and apparently its due to a worn ignition. (I assumed FI was fuel inection, turns out its Fault Indicator).


The barrel of in terms of firing?

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I also require new fork seals, where the exhaust pipes attach to the engine is very rusty. Plus my engine fan seems to come on a lot more than it used to. Garage topped up the engine coolant when I mentioned it. Bike has done just over 50,000 miles.


Fork seals are penauts in cost if you can do it yourself, But 50k miles out of one set of fork seals is good going tbh!, gaiters or deflectors will also help here in the future. Fender-extender will also help keep crap flying off your front wheel into the rad/headers.

Stock headers or a stainless set? Pull them (if header bolts are not fucked) and tidy up then BBQ hight temp paint them, or replace with a stainless system. I would give the rad a good go-over externally first, are all the fins bend and gummed up? it might nee replacing, or it might just need a good clean out of crap caught in the fins and built up. Internally is another matter.

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I am thinking of changing it but if the next bike has loads of issues before 50-60k then I dont feel theres much point. At what point in a car or motorbikes life do you consider getting rid? I feel that things are just gonna get worse in the long run, especially as the garage couldnt diagnose what triggered the FI warning. They said something about resetting the ECU but it could happen again.


That sounds wearied, usually you can get a fault code out of them to find what is causing it.

The thing is, nothing sounds terminal, it just sounds like it could do with a big service! 50k miles is a decent run!

Really it sounds like you are trying to justify another bike, and if thats what you are feeling then do it in my opinion, but your bandit seems far from dead.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say 100k miles with half decent maintenance should be doable. My bandit 6 is 20 years old and just about to hit 43k and the only two faults are the cam cover gasket needs replacing as it's a bit leaky on one corner from being reused after a valve check and the fork seals could do with replacing as I've just had to seal mate them so there won't be much life left in them
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
A motorbike properly maintained will last forever.

Sickpup's Donkey had been round the clock 4 times by the time Anna got her hands on it.

The problem is once you get to serious serious mileage almost every single part of the bike becomes a consumable item.

My poor NTV had almost every part aside from the frame and the engine replaced.


I own and regularly ride a Vespa that's 46 years old
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 19 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one seems to have lasted a while!
https://wingworldmag.com/tech/joe-sparrow-425k-gold-wing/
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