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Average speed cameras are basically OCR (optical character recognition) devices staged at timed intervals down a road. They trigger once they read a number plate and record the time taken to travel a the set distance between each camera. If the time taken is below the set time it would take for a vehicle to travel the set distance (plus a small margin of error), then it determines a speeding offence has taken place.
This is why I find it wholeheartedly amusing when people spank it down the motorway between average speed cameras, then jam on the brakes down to the limit at each gantry.
It used to be the cameras were fairly simplistic and could be easily fooled. In the early days, each camera was assigned a specific lane only, so to evade them you only had to change lanes. Now the entire gantry is networked so each camera set covers both lanes.
As well as that, they used to only face forward as this allowed them to capture the face of the driver as well. Now, because of motorbikes (probably) they face rearward in some sections, or alternate between frontward and rearward.
They're also equipped with infrared now so they can better read characters at night (which is why the sensors have that glowing red hue at night.)
Despite all these upgrades though, they still have vulnerabilities. The way they're programmed is to only recognise certain fonts and character strings based on license plates in the UK (i.e. they only read the UK number plate font to avoid false captures from things like logos and letterwriting on trucks and vans).
I think the syntax they're programmed for is something like "any string in [licence plate font] where max characters = 7". This means if you're using plates in a nonstandard font like the curly italics ones, the sensor might not always trigger*. Similarly, I don't think they can read euro plates at this time, and i'm still not sure if they can resolve three-line motorbike plates like the ones on old BMWs (which are legal if period-correct!). Additionally, I think they have trouble with small plates as well.
One day i'd love to dissect one of them and find it's operational specs. I'd be curious to know the processing power they have, and the maximum number of plates they can resolve between each gantry simultaneously. Purely for the sake of curiosity, of course...
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Hi
Reflections, odd angles they are mounted at, shadows, shadows of mounting bolts, partially obscured plates (from other vehicles), etc. I suspect that the success rate of reading the plates is far less than they would like us to believe, but still high enough to screw over enough people to make them a pain.
Also wonder if having them ignore non UK plates makes them technically illegal by not treating drivers of different nationalities equally
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I laugh in the face of forward facing average cameras on the motorways and pay no attention as I smash it through  ____________________ CBR600 F3 FV
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Mudshark wrote: | Vracktal wrote: |
One day i'd love to dissect one of them and find it's operational specs. I'd be curious to know the processing power they have, and the maximum number of plates they can resolve between each gantry simultaneously. . |
www.speedcheck.co.uk wrote: | Remote video cameras continually monitor traffic as it passes, routinely sending number plate data back to a remote central server. If a vehicle is detected as travelling above the Police threshold between two valid camera locations, images are retrieved and an offence file is created. This offence file will then be viewed by an operator, before any further action is taken. |
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So, for example, if someone wants to make some decent progress on the motorway. They pass 2 cameras and there is someone watching you, they will work out the distance covered and the time to work out an approximate speed, if they're speeding they will issue a ticket? Has this ACTUALLY ever happened before?
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 9 years, 2 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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