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techathy
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Cat-c for track day bike? Reply with quote

I’m looking for a track day bike and have seen a cat-c bike. From what I can see from the advert on the right side of the it has bike newer indicators from & back, clip-on on, new engine cover protectors & rear set. It also has an aftermarket fairing and the leavers look newer than the bike. It’s about 2-3 years & 10k miles younger than other bikes in my budget. Is it worth considering for a track bike? Assuming it rides well the way I see it I know this bike has been crashed and just because another bike isn’t declared an insurance write off doesn’t mean it hasn’t been dropped just as badly.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Re: Cat-c for track day bike? Reply with quote

What group do you ride in?

I wouldn't worry about a Cat-C that's in ok nick whatever - road or track.

However for a track bike, you may have a chunk more work and possibly money over buying an already setup as a track bike.

For instance, suspension, steering damper and so on.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in the novice group but was recommended to go intermediate next time. This was despite me thinking "This is a 12 grand bike & I need it for committing to work next week", which made the day a bit of a bust.

That's what I was thinking, I just wanted conformation.

Absolutely, but first thing I want a bike I'm willing to get out of my comfort zone on.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't worry too much about a track specific bike.

However, you may still find a track specific bike offers you a better setup that helps you improve more, faster.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't but felt that I've got a mental block with the R1200 RS which is holding me back. I guess i'm not getting a dedicated track bike, rather a second bike which will be track biased.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grab an old cbr600f and kick it's head in.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272271869236
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old CBR set up as a track bike - sure.

Old CBR as it comes - probably be pretty horrible.

More modern bikes handle track work a lot better.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Old CBR set up as a track bike - sure.

Old CBR as it comes - probably be pretty horrible.

More modern bikes handle track work a lot better.


You forgot to add:-

Old cbr to thrash around a track whilst not caring if you fuck it up - ideal
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I did not.

If you were talking pit bike speeds, sure choose a bike you're happy to be crashing all the time. I got annoyed I wasn't going fast enough outdoors a while ago, so just took a corner faster and faster until I crashed.

Crashing a big bike costs money, wastes track time, likely hurts from a bit to very badly.

You're probably paying £2-4 per minute on track.
I'd want to make the most use of that possible, so don't want to be fighting aging bouncy suspension and poor brakes along with limited tyre choices for which there aren't many scrubs available.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
limited tyre choices for which there aren't many scrubs available.


You're right.
160/60/17 and 120/60/17 are very rare sizes and only 1 manufacturer makes tyres in that size.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not responding to what I said.

Nor are you representing the tyre size of the bike you linked to.

The 89 CBR600 is listed as 110/80/17 and 130/80/17.

I wouldn't buy new tyres for a trackday personally - seriously bumps up the cost. If it was the sizes you listed, you could get part worn tyres from a minitwin.
I'm not sure what track tyres are available in the sizes this bike takes, but they're certainly from common.

I'm told the BT39-ss isn't available outside of Japan now (not quite the right profile for the rear).
Not sure if there's any track focused tyres available in the UK at all.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine, focus on a single year, which was just an example of the model of bike i was on about, if you want.

a 92 or a 95 will be ideal IMO
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162101950350

Best in it's class back in the day, and still a strong runner with many spares available.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

An F3 makes more sense and got more chance of not being a complete nail. Suspension a good bit better as stock and hopefully less chance of being really tired.

But again, anyone wanting to do more than just 'have a go' could easily get frustrated by the bike, especially if a bit tired; or certainly find they're having a much better time on a bike setup for track.
Which will then lead to needing to spend a lot more money to keep using the same bike, or getting a new suitable bike.

From that age, I'd be looking at the SRAD not the CBR. It was more sporty out of the box. Ideally the 750 I'd say.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
SRAD 750


Really G?

With the uber reliable big ends and reputation of throwing rods.

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PostPosted: 22:17 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compared to choosing a bike that's not that sporty compared to some modern sports-tourers, yes, probably.

I would also definitely consider a 5EB, despite that they are certainly showing their fragility with age.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Compared to choosing a bike that's not that sporty compared to some modern sports-tourers, yes, probably.

I would also definitely consider a 5EB, despite that they are certainly showing their fragility with age.


Yes cause the risk of engine failure coupled with a declining availability of complete engines isn't an issue at all when looking for a cheap track bike Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Compared to choosing a bike that's not that sporty compared to some modern sports-tourers, yes, probably.

I would also definitely consider a 5EB, despite that they are certainly showing their fragility with age.


The R6 that was much more at home on the track that on the road is a good choice but the valves are weak and cost a fortune to replace, excluding the cost of repairing any other engine damage.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the gearbox issues.
Which was why I didn't leave the thought in my post. However, I would still consider one.

Still see a lot going strong on track.
Unfortunately prices are a bit buoyant too.


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PostPosted: 22:39 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Budget?
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 12 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just picked up a tatty k1 GSXR 600 for under £900 with this purpose in mind.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 13 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I was to buy a track bike, I would first try and bag a Cat C that had the damage still on it, MCE have an ebay account where they sell write offs with the damage still on the bike, so you can see the damage beforehand.

This means you get the low price of it being a Cat-C, the added bonus of not having to pay for the repair (as youll be wanting race fairings anyhow).

Win win.

https://stores.ebay.co.uk/Big-Eds-Shop
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 13 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:


Win win.

Except that being MCE, it seems they are as useless at selling bikes as insurance - mess you around, etc - others have had bad experiences.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 13 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Pjay wrote:


Win win.

Except that being MCE, it seems they are as useless at selling bikes as insurance - mess you around, etc - others have had bad experiences.

It's Ebay, you can view, then bid or not. You can pick it up or not.

Their feedback seems to show that they are fine.
They have a negative that said the bike was not as described, which to be fair is going to happen, they are not professional mechanics. I would go view the bike before bidding, that way you know what you are getting.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 13 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being an insurance company that will get bikes with a report of the damage to them, you'd think they'd be able to mention all the damaged items.
They should be able to provide a really accurate description rather than a poor one. They also claim to be all about bikes and so on.
Sure, if you're really local or don't mind having a double journey - but for other people I'd avoid.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 13 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you're right, don't buy a bike from a seller that has one bad review and hundreds of good ones.

I apologise for the suggestion, I am a prick.
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