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PostPosted: 20:27 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Filter at 60 = careless driving ticket and twitter shame Reply with quote

Some geezer in Gloucestershire has been nobbled by an unmarked car.


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Police have taken to Twitter to shame a motorcyclist for weaving in and out traffic - at 60mph.

It's common to see motorbikes filtering through stationary or slow-moving cars on dual carriageways, but less so - and dangerous - when it's moving at normal speeds.

The rider was captured on the A38 in Gloucestershire by a roads police unit's dashcam and subsequently issued with a ticket.

Officers said 'filtering' at 60mph could be fatal if anything were to go wrong.


https://www.gloucestercitizen.co.uk/ride-motorbike-police-tick-filtering-rider-60mph/story-29389027-detail/story.html

https://twitter.com/Tri_Force/status/741591066747490304
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Devils advocate time; I agree with the fuzz. Although in my opinion that wasn't filtering it was undertaking and was pretty pointless as he just moved back into the left lane and did the exact same speed afterwards...
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were any laws broken? No.
Was it good riding? No.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Were any laws broken? No.
Was it good riding? No.


Would you not consider it undertaking? Yes I hate that it's illegal too but still...
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there was a car in the inside lane, that makes it filtering. Maybe it's undertaking as well? I reckon he realised the unmarked car was Polis as he was passing, hence the panicky indicating and lack of speed.
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

UnspeedySam wrote:
Ariel Badger wrote:
Were any laws broken? No.
Was it good riding? No.


Would you not consider it undertaking? Yes I hate that it's illegal too but still...


Except that it isn't...
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undinist wrote:
If there was a car in the inside lane, that makes it filtering. Maybe it's undertaking as well? I reckon he realised the unmarked car was Polis as he was passing, hence the panicky indicating and lack of speed.

This is what I think he clocked it far too late.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh, I'll have to watch out for those fuckers in the unmarked cars. I'll have to find out what cars they use, I always look out for BMW's and Audi's.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There aren't many unmarked traffic cars per county and if you ask around you can usually find out what they are.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Officers said 'filtering' at 60mph could be fatal if anything were to go wrong.


Pretty much anything can be fatal if it goes wrong enough.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
UnspeedySam wrote:
Would you not consider it undertaking? Yes I hate that it's illegal too but still...


Except that it isn't...


Is it not? I stand corrected. I thought it was an automatic 'careless/dangerous driving' charge depending on how much faster than the car to your right you were going.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

UnspeedySam wrote:


Is it not? I stand corrected. I thought it was an automatic 'careless/dangerous driving' charge depending on how much faster than the car to your right you were going.


It can be used in evidence for a careless or dangerous charge but it's not an illegal act.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funnily enough, I got pulled for 'overtaking in a built up area' in a 30 limit. How the fuck could that be classed as 'filtering'?
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

UnspeedySam wrote:
Is it not? I stand corrected. I thought it was an automatic 'careless/dangerous driving' charge depending on how much faster than the car to your right you were going.


Nope, its overtaking/passing on the left.

Depending on the situation it can sometimes be acceptable, if you are in the left lane and the overtaking lane(s) are temporarily blocked by slower moving traffic, you have free road ahead and can maintain the posted speed limit then you are free to pass the slow moving vehicle that has been incorrectly positioned.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do that every day, might as well drive a car to work if I didn't.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I'm not saying I don't do it. I'm just saying I thought I could get a few points if I get seen by a grumpy copper. Razz
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doink wrote:
I do that every day, might as well drive a car to work if I didn't.


Yeah, me too. The M8 is a total nightmare, barely above 50 at times, I go a little faster and take the gaps where I can. Where it's too hairy, I don't. But the amount of fuckers who sit and sit and sit in the outside lane at less than the speed limit baffle me. I get dirty looks when I'm going the limit on the inside lane for driving to the rules of the road.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

He went through as the cars were parallel. That's the safest way to do it. Coppers B well jelly.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does seem odd that he slowed down after doing it and didn't proceed to overtake the next car, maybe he realised it was an unmarked police car but even then I would proceed to do 70 and overtake the next car (if it is 70 limit).
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just yesterday I saw two coppers (on bikes) overtaking at speed in a built up area, no lights or sirens on. That presented a lot more risk than that wanky little video...
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
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Officers said 'filtering' at 60mph could be fatal if anything were to go wrong.


Pretty much anything can be fatal if it goes wrong enough.


The word "Strangle-w*nk" comes to mind.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a 70mph NSL, right?

Footage is edited so obviously towards getting people to be all like "bloody dangerous bikers" it's unreal. What the footage doesn't show is why the unmarked car was in Lane 2 at all since he's doing sub 60mph and therefore (as I was on a DAS lesson) IMO deemed a hazard. Pointing out the unmarked cars speed brings me on to the fact that if the unmarked car is only doing just under 60mph and still making progress and passing cars on the left in Lane 1 then how slow are they going.

Probably likely that the biker approached at closer to the limit and got stuck behind two cars well below the limit blocking both lanes and therefore felt the safest thing to do was get ahead and clear them rather than get stuck behind. Not that I see why but the biker even had his indicator on, can't even make a point that he didn't make his intention clear from the begging.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's face it, we all do this.

And if we don't then what's the point in having a bike, you might as well sir in traffic.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
UnspeedySam wrote:

Would you not consider it undertaking? Yes I hate that it's illegal too but still...


Except that it isn't...


And it doesn't exist...

Rather petty really. Neither of those cars is going to change lane. Personally I wouldn't class it as unsafe.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 11 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had to check that one out. Instantly recognised as A38 Quedgeley bypass which is part of my daily commute. Relieved when I quickly realised it was not me!

Can understand the rider's frustration (if that was what it was) as people will hog the outer lane on that 70mph road in readiness for their right turn at the traffic light junction roughly a mile ahead of that point.

Up to him if he wants to ride his bike like that. Would be more of a problem if he was driving a car.
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