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 Posted: 06:28 - 24 Aug 2016  Post subject: The Asian Theatre - South China Sea and North Korea... |
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So, how ugly do we think this is going to get.
Norther Korea launched a missile today at China, Japan and S.Korean foreign affairs...
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Add that to the talk by China to build a canal through Thailand to avoid US friendly Singapore, the general "come at us"attitude involving the islands clearly being prepared for warfare, and the fact the US is two dollars short of bankrupt so probably not great for any intervention.
Any thoughts on how or what might play out soon?
I am expecting China to plant flags firmly on islands contested in the next month or two. North Koreas attempts at willy waving complicate the issue, but they are losing support from China swiftly...
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Japan needs to stop being such a whiny pussy, nuke up, and say "Put up or shut up, bitches". </problem> </interest>
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| Posted: 15:47 - 24 Aug 2016 Post subject: |
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Can we shoot the missile down when it's likely to land here? I don't know.. 
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| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Unlikely. Instead they will say "ok, you give Nipon a nuke, now we give Iran, Palestine and North Korea some nukes". |
North Korea already has them. Iran might. Palestinian People's Front, or the People's Front of Palestine?
| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | | kawashima wrote: | Can we shoot the missile down when it's likely to land here? I don't know.. |
North Korean nukes can't reach the UK. |
Small comfort to Kawashima-san, given that he lives in Japan.
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| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | And then China will be like "wow USA you really outfoxed us by giving Nipon a nuke, I'll guess we will have to give up now"?
Unlikely. Instead they will say "ok, you give Nipon a nuke, now we give Iran, Palestine and North Korea some nukes". |
| Wall Street Journal wrote: | Japan has also developed the M-V three-stage solid-fuel rocket, somewhat similar in design to the U.S. LGM-118A Peacekeeper ICBM, giving it a missile technology base. It now has an easier-to-launch second generation solid-fuel rocket, Epsilon. Japan has experience in re-entry vehicle technology (OREX, HOPE-X). Toshiyuki Shikata, a Tokyo Metropolitan Government adviser and former lieutenant general, claimed that part of the rationale for the fifth M-V Hayabusa mission, from 2003 to 2010, was that the re-entry and landing of its return capsule demonstrated "that Japan's ballistic missile capability is credible."
In 2011, former Minister of Defense Shigeru Ishiba explicitly backed the idea of Japan maintaining the capability of nuclear latency: "I don't think Japan needs to possess nuclear weapons, but it's important to maintain our commercial reactors because it would allow us to produce a nuclear warhead in a short amount of time ... It's a tacit nuclear deterrent" |
I'd be suprised if Japan lacks the capability and means to do it independently, probably at fairly short notice. I'd be even more suprised if China isn't aware. In reality though, if shit hit the fan in the Pacific quickly enough for them to need a functional nuke, I expect the USA would of already "preemptively" intervened to protect many freedomz.
Some interesting political nuggets each year are the RIMPAC naval excercises in the Pacific - run by the USA predominantly, but inviting everyone from the UK to India, Russia and China - who do now take part. On one hand that could be seen as calming things down, although not suprisingly, China do make the most of it too.
As per RIMPAC; I doubt China's recent territorial disputes and North Korea's missile launches are anything more than war games. They might be provocatively poking, but its far from someone losing an eye. |
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| Posted: 23:57 - 24 Aug 2016 Post subject: |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Unlikely. Instead they will say "ok, you give Nipon a nuke, now we give Iran, Palestine and North Korea some nukes". |
North Korea already has them. Iran might. Palestinian People's Front, or the People's Front of Palestine?
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North Korea has a tech demonstrator, China could give them a real working viable nuke. The west is one trying to prevent nuclear proliferation so it would be quite a change of policy to help give others justification to proliferate. We know which way any loose nukes will be coming and it's unlikely to be China's.
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They can when they are put in a container on a cargo ship and detonated when it arrives in UK. Easy as sending 'Agricultural machinery'  |
Sure in theory, but practically there's a bit more to it. Ships roll, and land based missiles, especially vintage 70s ones don't work very well in that environment. So NK would have to test their container missile which would rather give the game away.
North Korea is under extremely strict sanctions anyway, so ships laden with agricultural machinery from North Korean to the UK happens never. Actually shipments of anything from North Korea to the UK happens pretty much never.
So the chances of the North Korean container ship, of which there are very few, carrying a missile and sailing out of the North Korea, then approx 20,000km through either the Panama or Suez Canal to Britain without being searched/seized... |
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| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | container missile |
Not a missile, just a bomb. As big and clumsy and as dirty as you like.
Same applies to the Palestinians.
| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | through either the Panama or Suez Canal to Britain without being searched/seized... |
Are ships routinely boarded and searched going through those canals?
I'd be fairly sure that nobody is going to stop them on the high seas, and the UK's entire floating customs force consists of five revenue cutters, of which two are currently operating as migrant water taxis in the Med.
Of course a bomb wouldn't ship directly from NorKor, they'd want a veneer of plausible deniability.
How are things in Vladivostok? Milk and honey and nobody looking to score some quick roubles, no questions asked?
This is hypothetical, I don't think NorKor for all their posturing are really insane in the membrane enough to do it. Snackbar might though.
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| Posted: 16:48 - 25 Aug 2016 Post subject: |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | Im-a-Ridah wrote: | container missile |
Not a missile, just a bomb. As big and clumsy and as dirty as you like.
Same applies to the Palestinians. |
He said missile so I commented on that basis, but I agree if they tried anything it would just be a plain bomb since their nukes wouldn't fit on a missile, but would obviously fit on a ship.
| Rogerborg wrote: | I'd be fairly sure that nobody is going to stop them on the high seas, and the UK's entire floating customs force consists of five revenue cutters, of which two are currently operating as migrant water taxis in the Med. North Korea doesn't even care about Britain anyway, it's targets are South Korea, Japan and the US. The US is a bit far, but South Korea and Japan would be easy enough targets.
Of course a bomb wouldn't ship directly from NorKor, they'd want a veneer of plausible deniability.
How are things in Vladivostok? Milk and honey and nobody looking to score some quick roubles, no questions asked?
This is hypothetical, I don't think NorKor for all their posturing are really insane in the membrane enough to do it. Snackbar might though. |
The UK probably would send a cutter of frigate to investigate, but I doubt the NK ship would make it that far. Here is a list of NK cargo ships, its pretty short, and only about 20 are even close to big enough to carry missiles and the like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_merchant_ships |
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| Posted: 19:36 - 25 Aug 2016 Post subject: |
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You have to be joking.
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So North Korea is a bunch of Kum Pits?!
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| DrSnoosnoo wrote: |
You have to be joking.
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They also have Morning Glory. |
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