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lihp
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 02 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:

Well human beings are flawed and make mistakes, if you're replacing that by flawed technology (yes designed by flawed humans) then I don't really see the point.


Because even a "flawed" computer is far, far more competent than humans are.

The same way as we train drivers to make fewer mistakes, this is very young technology that has proven it is safer than humans. The technology will only get better.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 02 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
lihp wrote:
Because even a "flawed" computer is far, far more competent than humans are.

Oh, you're an AI developer now, are you? Who'd have guessed.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 02 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Did the car stop when it had completed the slaughter of the occupant or did it just carry on along the motorway?

Apparently it crashed into a telephone pole further along... just to make sure.

lihp wrote:
Polarbear wrote:


One crash killed Concorde and it wasn't even a fault of the plane. I bet this will result in the ban for auto driving cars on normal roads.


No, the massive running and maintenance costs. With the addition of lack of demand killed the Concorde.

I thought Concorde was meant to be uncrashable, then obviously it did and its reputation was severely damaged.

lihp wrote:

Because even a "flawed" computer is far, far more competent than humans are.

The same way as we train drivers to make fewer mistakes, this is very young technology that has proven it is safer than humans. The technology will only get better.

To the point where it can distinguish between a white truck and the sky? Clapping Driverless cars might just have had its Hindenburg moment.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 02 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Driverless cars might just have had its Hindenburg moment.

https://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Titanic-Onioin1.gif

It's OK, plenty of progressives who will never, ever, be able to afford Robocar will rally round to sing its hypothetical praises.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 02 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
lihp wrote:
M.C wrote:

Well human beings are flawed and make mistakes, if you're replacing that by flawed technology (yes designed by flawed humans) then I don't really see the point.


Because even a "flawed" computer is far, far more competent than humans are.

The same way as we train drivers to make fewer mistakes, this is very young technology that has proven it is safer than humans. The technology will only get better.


The software is only as good as the humans programming it. Vision systems, the sensory systems used are still in their infancy. I have actually seen similar faults as they claim caused this problem on manufacturing equipment, the difference being lives were not at risk.

In other news I did see a paintball drone executing people on foot, the future is scary Shocked
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 02 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:
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To the point where it can distinguish between a white truck and the sky? Clapping


Unlike most car drivers who struggle to distinguish an oncoming motorcyclist on a 1/4 tonne motorcycle with two 55w headlamps and wearing an orange dayglo vest with scotchlite stripes from an empty piece of road.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 02 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
trains, planes and automobiles all will be driverless before too long. God help anyone who may find enjoyment in operating any of them.

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PostPosted: 23:07 - 02 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
On the plus side, government assassinations will be easier Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
lihp wrote:
Polarbear wrote:


One crash killed Concorde and it wasn't even a fault of the plane. I bet this will result in the ban for auto driving cars on normal roads.


No, the massive running and maintenance costs. With the addition of lack of demand killed the Concorde.


Source? From my research Concorde was operating at a profit, and was only struck down after the mandatory safety enhancements that were to be made after the one crash (that DEFINITELY was not Concorde's fault) created a financially unfeasible situation.
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well I for one, Welcome our new robotic overlords.

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Fear not, there is always John Connor.
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
John Connor is dead.
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PostPosted: 01:08 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
John Connor is dead.


I thought he just teleported to the future?
I refuse to watch the one with Danaerys in it though.
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PostPosted: 01:14 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
He's dead.

(unless they make a sequel Laughing)
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PostPosted: 02:53 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Commuter_Tim wrote:
Ste wrote:
John Connor is dead.


I thought he just teleported to the future?
I refuse to watch the one with Danaerys in it though.


He is now skynet
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
jackw72 wrote:


Source? From my research Concorde was operating at a profit, and was only struck down after the mandatory safety enhancements that were to be made after the one crash (that DEFINITELY was not Concorde's fault) created a financially unfeasible situation.


https://thetravelinsider.info/2003/0411.htm

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Sadly, Concorde has not been flying full recently, and BA's first and business class traffic dropped disastrously on all its planes in March.

Some Concorde flights are rumored to be operating with less than one third of the seats sold, and many of the few seats that are sold are heavily discounted package deals, selling for less than half the full published fare. In such a situation, a Concorde flight is unlikely to make money.


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A far-sighted airline would simply put their Concorde planes into storage - along with all the other many thousands of planes currently sitting idle in the desert - and then return them to service when economic conditions improve.

Alternatively, if they felt certain that there was no way that they could ever expect to profit from their planes again in the future, surely they'd then seek to sell them for as much money as possible to whoever else was as 'foolish' as to attempt to operate them


There was already doubt by the operators about their continued ability to generate profit. The Air France incident wasn't the sole reason, it was simply just the final nail in the coffin. The final reason to call it quits, it had revenue issues for a while before that.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Let's be honest, it's the dickhead drivers like the truck driver in this one https://youtu.be/y4bQBJ2Cfqk?t=18 that need to be replaced by AI ..

I'd still be interested to see how these cares cope with a motorcycle in front or beside them when changing lane rather than another car or larger object.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
On my pedal cycles I've had multiple passes by the same 2 tesla cars at NSL speeds always around the 70-75cm mark, which is uncomfortable & close enough to require steering correction. Maybe just shit driving but the consistency of the pass suggests to me it may well be auto-pilot.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Something 75cm away makes you change steering?
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 03 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
The that close with a car passing at that speed the draft is enough to push & pull the bike a bit. This means you have to correct the bike to keep it going in a straight line, also you need to move the wheels back under the bike.
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 04 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
75cm today.

Like a shark circling in.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 04 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thinking about this a bit more, I've come to the conclusion that I'm a bit jealous of Tesla owners, but I also really want them to succeed.

It's an electric car that costs the same as most high-end but not ridiculous money cars, with the price for the new one dropping to the price of a mid-spec BMW 3 series.

The acceleration is just phenomenal. A friend of mine showed me a video of him and a few friends - all bikers - doing a full-bore acceleration run on the IOM. The people made loud, impressed noises. It was a genuine 0-100mph in not many seconds with no driver skill required.

The range is around 250 miles. That's enough.

It can drive itself. Maybe not to the point of fully ignoring it and having a snooze, like on a train, but to the point where you can just keep an eye on it during a long motorway journey and look around a bit, or eat a sandwich. Then when you get to fun roads, you can take control and enjoy the power.

I can see why they sell out so fast. Why would you buy a mid-spec BMW when you can have the future car.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 04 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
techathy wrote:
The that close with a car passing at that speed the draft is enough to push & pull the bike a bit. This means you have to correct the bike to keep it going in a straight line, also you need to move the wheels back under the bike.


Wouldn't be an issue if you used one with an engine instead of faggy lycra Thumbs Up Whistle
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 04 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
A witness has said that the Tesla driver had been watching a Harry Potter movie - (he had some serious faith in the autopilot!)

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/01/tesla-driver-killed-autopilot-self-driving-car-harry-potter
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 04 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
lihp wrote:
Wouldn't be an issue if you used one with an engine instead of faggy lycra Thumbs Up Whistle

Don't go projecting your self-acceptance issues on to me.. Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: 06:56 - 05 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ob. https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/self-driving-car-ethics
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