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PostPosted: 21:30 - 17 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yet constitutional lawyers say:

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Prime Minister is unable to issue a declaration under Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty – triggering our withdrawal from the European Union – without having been first authorised to do so by an Act of the United Kingdom Parliament.


https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-barber-tom-hickman-and-jeff-king-pulling-the-article-50-trigger-parliaments-indispensable-role/

Lets wait this one and see what happens Very Happy


You can find a lawyer to say just about anything.

The authority is with the Executive (the Cabinet), not with the Parliament. Day to day Parliament has little authority, their purpose is scrutiny of decisions made by the Executive, and voting on legislation.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 20 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears women can be better leaders than man. Seems to me May and Merkel have very good understanding:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36841066
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 20 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus Val wake up. Why would you mention Gender, are you a sexist?
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 20 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit hard on Val, but I hate to admit it, that right wing lunatic Roger was bang on the money thus far.

I don't pity any remainers who dont realise where this seems to be going, or the genuine racialists, I feel bad for peeps like Rider who put their money where their gob is and stomped the streets for their convictions and won.

Some positives to come out though seems to be the realignment happening within the EU. As per the Turkey thread though, I'm waiting to see the stance and the financial problems in the future seem to be accelerating, Tin foil hat time yet?
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 20 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload wrote:
Bit hard on Val, but I hate to admit it, that right wing lunatic Roger was bang on the money thus far.

I don't pity any remainers who dont realise where this seems to be going, or the genuine racialists, I feel bad for peeps like Rider who put there money where their gob is and stomped the streets for their convictions and won.


Actually I really do not know where this seems to be going. Apparently Merkel do not know too because she said today:

Merkel wrote:
So we will wait for the moment when the UK invokes this (Article 50) and applies for this and then we will put our guidelines on the table as to how we see the future relationship

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PostPosted: 16:50 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Actually I really do not know where this seems to be going.


Who knows? Is it a move to stop the UK leaving? If we leave without a trade deal, our economy will suffer, lots of lost jobs so we're in a catch 22.

The only thing I know is every economic indicator is pointing towards recession so I'm going to spend a ton of money on my August holiday as a last 'big one' and then batten down the hatches. With my property rented out, I'll be fine. Landlords without mortgages are OK in recessionary periods because no-one has money to buy. One of my other businesses is very busy at the moment but suspect that will die in a year or 2.

If sterling drops and UK inflation rises further (it will rise considerably), that will cause me problems so to hedge, I'm going to buy something in another country. Maybe shares, maybe just currency.

Either way, I have no idea what the financial future holds beyond the coming recession and short term inflation.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

UK manufacturing is shit and expensive.

4 months overdue for parts, some of which were no bigger than my thumbnail. In fact, they even manufactured them WRONG. Despite drawing the plans themselves. That delayed the process by a month.

It's no wonder we rely on making money by playing with invisible things.

You call EU manufacturing, but they can provide complete components built from high quality materials, to inspecting body standards, with less fuss and delay.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
It appears women can be better leaders than man.

Margaret Thatcher...

mpd72 wrote:
I see the French are up to their usual game of "piss off the English".

There are queue's of around 8 hours to cross the Channel via Dover because French authorities have stepped up border control on this side of the Channel.

They'll soon be telling us that the free movement of people with no border checks is the solution.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't know why everyone seems so keen to put England down and big up the EU, especially on manufacturing.

couple of months ago I had to order some CNC tooling from the machine manufacturer (have go go through them to keep warranty) in France, they were so badly made they didn't even fit their own machine Laughing then when I got some replacements the "stainless steel" they are made from has rusted more in 3 months than others have in 7 years.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

When components on ships are made all over the EU, Holland, Germany, France, even Italy, Spain and Latvia, because they are better than what our so called great country can make, I think it does say a lot.

And bnp72's experience doesn't mean all foreigners/muzzy/dolescum are cuntbags, but it does in his head.

Tell me why the NERC vessel, being built in a British shipyard, isn't using mainly British components? Because the country once at the forefront of shipbuilding and Maritime sector, now can't provide the parts to build them?
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:

Yeah, you've whined about this about half a dozen times before. Your personal experience does not represent UK manufacturing, no matter how many times you slag it off...


What UK manufacturing is superior? Yes, we have some of the worlds best engineers and designers. But manufacturers, we are not any more.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 23 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
don't know why everyone seems so keen to put England down and big up the EU, especially on manufacturing.

couple of months ago I had to order some CNC tooling from the machine manufacturer (have go go through them to keep warranty) in France, they were so badly made they didn't even fit their own machine Laughing then when I got some replacements the "stainless steel" they are made from has rusted more in 3 months than others have in 7 years.


Spare parts for the components I refer to. Manufactured by the same company who supplied them. They took months to re-draw because of the change in materials. Then production was delayed. Then when we finally received part of the goods, they recalled particular components because they had manufactured them wrong! And these goods cost the price of a house, not a couple of packs of £2.99 bolts.
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 24 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

'What UK manufacturing is superior? Yes, we have some of the worlds best engineers and designers. But manufacturers, we are not any more.'


Er.... Rolls Royce springs to mind, JCB? The specialist steel manufacturers in Sheffield. Don't underestimate the racing car boys either, their tech is incorporated in many production vehicles.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 24 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:

You can say that again. I'd say the smart money is to buy in the UK, the rise of the FTSE100 of almost 12% since the referendum to a record high since last August shows others do too. Smile


I really wish your extremely simple explanation of the world was true. I really, really do. Unfortunately, too many years of experience mean I see the strings.

For example, the FTSE100 increase is being sold to me as a way of hedging against the localisation effects of Brexit and the investor herd is buying because of this. i.e. £ will drop further but FTSE 100 companies are more international so they will benefit from our lower currency. As an aside, no-one is pretending our FTSE100 firms won't sell more but they will benefit from the effects of a lower currency.

I have 3 income streams. Brexit is pushing one up in the short term but am predicting it will die in around 9 months. A second is rock solid in a recession although a lower £ means inflation. Finally, my third is delayed but I think it might work although I don't know. Will have to see.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 24 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:

And bnp72's experience doesn't mean all foreigners/muzzy/dolescum are cuntbags, but it does in his head.


Race card Bingo! My brother in law is French by the way.

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
Tell me why the NERC vessel, being built in a British shipyard, isn't using mainly British components?


Maybe because under EU competition rules, all government contracts must go out to tender so all member states can put a bid in and the cheapest gets the deal. Isn't it against EU rules for the UK government to just give the work to a UK firm?

Here, have a butchers at this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_procurement_in_the_European_Union


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Because the country once at the forefront of shipbuilding and Maritime sector, now can't provide the parts to build them?


Or because we are more than capable of the quality, but struggle to compete with the EU on price? It's no co-incidence that we make many of the parts for the aerospace industry.


Wrong answer. The companies tendering are almost all without exception British firms. The parts are foreign. Which goes against the very argument you're trying to make.

The quality is a falsehood too. As my point about the dodgy components I've mentioned and you slap down. None of the British manufacturers we deal with (and would be two in this instance) offer the same guarantees as those from elsewhere. If the quality was that good, surely they would?
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 24 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which of those two categories does the NERC vessel fall into?
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