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House prices need to crash be corrected.
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At the end of the day house prices are based on supply and demand. All the time we have no control over the numbers of EU citizens living here, not only uncounted officially as immigrants, not even part of the population, we have no real control over housing demand and therefore pricing.
The current plan of build, build, build, is destroying towns such as the one I live in. I've had enough now. It's time the government were at least honest about the numbers living here and coming here uncounted.
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Are all these expensive houses being bought by all these migrants who are on the minimum wage jobs where an English person couldn't get a mortgage, because they're not earning enough?
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| Posted: 14:55 - 16 Sep 2018 Post subject: |
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| Val wrote: | | Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: | Are all these expensive houses being bought by all these migrants who are on the minimum wage jobs where an English person couldn't get a mortgage, because they're not earning enough? |
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Oh ffs. A large proportion of them are buy to lets, many bought the same arsehole who now owns almost half of the rented properties in the town.
Many other buyers are people moving out of Londonistan, as the poor, impoverished immigrants take over entire neighbourhoods in the most expensive place to live in the UK, much of which is social housing.
On some new build estates the level of social housing the developers must produce can be up to 30%. Where do you think all these new "free house please" benefits recipients are coming from if our population really isn't growing that fast? It's no co-incidence that the town centre is now full of immigrants for whom English is a second or non existent language, during working hours. It certainly wasn't like this 5 years ago, so it;s pretty easy to work out who all these new houses are for.
Why the feck are we housing asylum seekers and other immigrants in social housing in the most expensive parts of the country, that most working UK families cant afford to live in?
Working 16 hours in a supermarket then receiving up to £10K gratis from the tax payer, is not contributing to the country.
I'm not talking about stopping immigration, just having a say in who and how many we let in, because as it stands, we have no say what so ever on the numbers coming here from Europe, nor can we stop them getting the same access to the benefits system as our own feckless.
It's not working and the government are too afraid to reveal the real figures. Ask yourself why, in a time of record employment and tax take, that the standard of living and public services are falling. There's only one explanation and that's because the number of people draining the state funds is growing faster than those paying into it.
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Oh, still recycling that same old bullshit £10k figure that you can't provide a genuine number of how many people actually receive?
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Depends.
When are you leaving? |
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| Val wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
Working 16 hours in a supermarket then receiving up to £10K gratis from the tax payer, is not contributing to the country.
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Stop peddling Brexit lies. |
You've been shown this at least 5 times on here, but as you keep ignoring the truth, let me show you once again...
https://fullfact.org/economy/can-working-immigrants-claim-over-10000-benefits/
| Quote: | At the moment it's possible for some types of working households in the UK to get over £10,000 in these benefits, and that includes newly-arrived families from the European Economic Area (EEA).
This can't be changed without agreement at EU level to change European law.
Some workers could get £10,000 or more |
| Val wrote: | Pretty sure my salary is at least 4 times bigger then yours. |
Oh dear, how sad. We're willy waving over guesswork salaries now.
| Val wrote: | Also the facts show ALL EU migrants contribute to UK's tax revenue AFTER subtracting ALL tax credits and possible benefits |
Come on Vallage, even you're not that daft. So you're saying not one single EU migrant is claiming more in benefits than they contribute in tax? 
You're biased badinfo-graphic is aimed at the hard of thinking. It includes the biggest contributions such as tax and NI on one side, but only working tax credits and family allowance on the other. What about the big social costs like social housing, education, healthcare and income support?
| Quote: | Between 1995/96 and 2015/16, spending on housing benefit increased by 51%, going from £16.6bn to £25.1bn. Not an inconsiderable sum of money. |
Where do you think this 51% increase is coming from? Has the UK population increased by 51% in 10 years? Has it feck.
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Whatever your social leanings the demand for housing, whether rented or bought, is pushed up by the amount of people coming into the country.
What is net migration? 250000 a year from what I remember. So we would need an extra 250000 homes a year being built just to keep up and not including home grown demand. 2017 saw something like 200000 built although figures vary depending whose you read.
The only way rent and house prices will fall is if demand falls. That isn't going to happen unless immigration falls.
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Seriously? Last time I have checked in a free market society we don't eliminate people to regulate the demand like China.
I thought free market natural supply increase is the solution.
UK has a lot of problems and none is due to EU migrants. FYI Germany with more migrants and decent house prices.
The UK housing market is not free. It's artificial monopoly created by the land owners. And houses are used as investment tool to speculate and invest money NOT for actual housing.
Means it is economically viable to buy a house and leave it empty. The price rise is bigger then the bank interest rates or even other invetsments. Don't get me even started on money laundering and the fact UK is a magnet for Russian, Chinese, Middle East and criminals from all over the world that are investing stolen money in properties here.
There is not by accident UK decides to leave exactly when EU decided to make stronger laws about tax avoidance and criminal money laundering.
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Analysis of Government figures shows that there are more than one million additional homes above those required for households in the UK. This "housing surplus" has nearly doubled from 800,000 spare homes in 1996 to 1.4million homes at any one time in 2014 |
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/03/number-empty-homes-hits-highest-rate-20-years-calling-question/
Land monopoly and obscure and unfair 17th century planning permissions create the artificial properties market monopoly and house shortages. Not related to immigrants whatsoever.
FYI UK is the ONLY countty in the world where there is a lease hold for private houses.
There is a very simple way to break the monopoly and make the market free and fair again. Make property reform and tax all land and house owners based on size and house value.
That will make empty land, empty houses and speculative investements in houses economically unsustainable.
UK is the only country in Europe that doesn't tax property owners.
The current Land Registry for England and Wales holds less than 65% of all land and properties, 35% is unregistered and nobody knows who own it, and that in 21st century in the age of
computers.
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...Who voted leave? 
The average level of intelligence of a Brexiteer?
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You've been shown this at least 5 times on here, but as you keep ignoring the truth, let me show you once again...
https://fullfact.org/economy/can-working-immigrants-claim-over-10000-benefits/
| Quote: | At the moment it's possible for some types of working households in the UK to get over £10,000 in these benefits, and that includes newly-arrived families from the European Economic Area (EEA).
This can't be changed without agreement at EU level to change European law.
Some workers could get £10,000 or more |
| Val wrote: | Pretty sure my salary is at least 4 times bigger then yours. |
Oh dear, how sad. We're willy waving over guesswork salaries now.
| Val wrote: | Also the facts show ALL EU migrants contribute to UK's tax revenue AFTER subtracting ALL tax credits and possible benefits |
Come on Vallage, even you're not that daft. So you're saying not one single EU migrant is claiming more in benefits than they contribute in tax?
You're biased badinfo-graphic is aimed at the hard of thinking. It includes the biggest contributions such as tax and NI on one side, but only working tax credits and family allowance on the other. What about the big social costs like social housing, education, healthcare and income support?
| Quote: | Between 1995/96 and 2015/16, spending on housing benefit increased by 51%, going from £16.6bn to £25.1bn. Not an inconsiderable sum of money. |
Where do you think this 51% increase is coming from? Has the UK population increased by 51% in 10 years? Has it feck. |
Would you care to assign a %age or an actual figure to the some?
Some small businesses are thriving, and not complaining about all these apparent double taxations you seem to think happen to everyone.
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UK has a lot of problems and none is due to EU migrants. |
That's not true Val is it?
| Quote: | More than one crime in five in London is now committed by a foreign national, raising fresh fears over the impact of immigration.
Around a third of all sex offences and a half of all frauds in the capital are carried out by non-British citizens.
Poles, who have entered Britain in record numbers since they joined the European Union in 2004, committed 2,310 crimes in the first six months of this year to become the most prolific offenders.
Romanians, whose country became part of the EU in January, committed more than 1,000 offences — an eightfold rise on the same period in 2006, according to Metropolitan Police figures for solved crimes. |
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In 2016, some completely unbiased European think tank that specialises in economics said:
"Statistics referenced by the House of Commons suggest that 0.26 percent of total UK child benefit claims are paid to EU migrants whose children live in another EU member state. 0.09 percent of all child tax credit claims are made by families with children residing in another EU member state."
https://bruegel.org/2016/02/child-benefits-for-eu-migrants-in-the-uk/
(Bruegel considers itself a public good and takes no institutional standpoint. Anyone is free to republish and/or quote this post without prior consent. Please provide a full reference, clearly stating Bruegel and the relevant author as the source, and include a prominent hyperlink to the original post.)
(The original author is Uuriintuya Batsaikhan, a Mongolian citizen who has worked as an Affiliate Fellow in the area of European and Global Macroeconomics and Governance. She has a Master’s Degree from the Central European University (CEU) in Budapest and a Master of Public Policy Degree specialising in political economy, economic institutions and monetary policy from Hertie School of Governance in Berlin. Prior to joining Bruegel, she worked at UNDP in Mongolia and the German Institute for Economic Research in Berlin.) |
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