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Kawasaki Jimbo
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Wait the fucking minute the whole campaign led by the gammons was that UK already has lost its sovereignity to the EU?

I mean seriously somebody explain me how you can lose your virginity twice?

Are you saying all the lost sovereignity BS in the referendum was lies?


Presumably the argument is that the UK won't regain sovereignty under these terms.
Come on Val, it's not hard to understand.
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PostPosted: 01:20 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
, it's not hard to understand.


Depends who you're talking to.
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PostPosted: 02:47 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

Come on Val, it's not hard to understand.


Funny you said hard.

I literally can't stop laughing today reading Brexit Deal analysis.

Brexit Deal is literally in motion 😂😂😂

Quote:
"I think the choice is between being buggered ragged by a hard Brexit and allowing a little vassalage to ease ou..."


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/13/pm-finally-unites-party-with-brexit-deal-that-no-one-likes#comment-122486993

Ok let's call it a draw shall we? 😂😂😂

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PostPosted: 20:30 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

After a fairly long meeting, Cabinet have agreed the transitional arrangement, whatever it is, and base line for the future trade deal (outline political declaration).

More tomorrow in parliament! What fun!
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jean-Claude Junker wrote:
On this basis, the Commission recommends to the European Council (Article 50) that decisive progress has been made in the negotiations on the orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union, allowing the negotiations on the withdrawal agreement to be concluded and the next step of the process to be initiated
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

More from monsieur barnier, in a long, rambling speech:

barnier wrote:
The UK will leave the European Union and all its institutions on the 29th. March
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it seems that this is the best thread to post in, so:

Draft Agreement on the withdrawal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the European Union; Joint Statement and outline of the Political Declaration on the future relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union, as agreed at negotiators' level

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/progress-on-the-uks-exit-from-and-future-relationship-with-the-european-union
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

585 pages

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PostPosted: 21:40 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup. I'm up to page 6 so far.

It looks as though (edit: we continue in existing trade deals until the end of the implementation period) we will be free even during the "transition period" to make and enter into trade agreements elsewhere, unless they're "in areas of Union exclusive competence"; in the latter case they will have to OK the entering into (but not the making of). Seems reasonable so far.... but there's a long way to go in the text.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I may be gone for some time"....
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
585 pages

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Well, it IS only a draft! What do you expect?
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I expect Val to copy and paste some shit from Twitter in an attempt to give the impression that he's read the draft agreement.
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rehosted in case things get deleted: https://i.imgur.com/PT3Gxbe.jpg
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 14 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why has this topic been bumped? Is it Val telling us he's leaving?
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Rehosted in case things get deleted: https://i.imgur.com/PT3Gxbe.jpg


Item one is a bit of a dog's breakfast, and does not reference the interim agreement.

Item two needs explaining. It would be illegal under (recent, the "taxation (cross-border) act" ) UK law, for instance, to have Northern part of a separate customs territory to Great Britain.

Items 3 and 4 seem questionable, applying only to the interim period.

I'm not sure how far Moggie will get with this rather hasty and ill-prepared letter.
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
In the small print, we also need their express permission to negotiate our own trade deals


What small print? Where? Their permission when and under what circumstances?

I've spent a lot of the evening looking at this, and if for once you'd post some original evidence, you might elevate your status. So surprise me with something sensible.
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good news at least, they won't be allowed to bring back the workhouses just yet.
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PostPosted: 01:23 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
585 pages

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May gets the award for the worst blackmail ever pointed at ERG and Corbyn 😂😂😂

"The choices before us are clear: this deal...or...no Brexit at all".

If you need to read 585 pages to find out the current EU membership is the the best option for the UK you really need help.

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PostPosted: 01:39 - 15 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

May's a dead woman walking. She'll never get this through parliament if she can't get her own party onside.
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