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"the future relationship makes it clear that we will be in a single customs territory, which means the customs union"
No. That is wrong. We cannot legally stay in the customs union. We will be in a bespoke arrangement. The EU has customs arrangements with other entities, which are not "the customs union", which is for EU members only (Norway, for insytance, is not in the EUCU).
"plus very high alignment to the rules of the EU"
What rules? The EUSM? We'#ll be out of that too, but (for the purposes of the EU market only) of course there will be some alignment for trade with them. It's not news, or rocket science. ANY trade arrangement will have rules, not just the EU! We will, for instance, have to obey the agreed rules of the CPTPP when we join their group. We won't be politically controlled by them either, though.
Regarding "dextry ministers": "Department for Exiting the European Union".
He wants "a free trade agreement, not this high alignment model". He of course is talking, again, about the interim leaving arrangement. The trade deal hasn't even got to the draft stage, it;s just some connected statements in draft exit agreement. It's also available online, but the cooker buzzer has gone off, back soon. |
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The news is a HUGE problem. |
The detail of the draft itself needs far more in-depth discussion on't telly, instead of all this political manoeuvring stuff. Maybe after the weekend when more folk have had a chance to read and digest it properly.
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| Polarbear wrote: | Gove is a devious conniving little shit.
Brexiteer but staying in May's cabinet.
I wonder what the smarmy little dog turd is up to.
(and no, it's not just Diane I despise in politics) |
It's all beside the point. What is in this draft deal? What does it actually mean? That's all I want to know right now. The future of the country is more important than the careers of a bunch of conniving, self-interested twats in Parliament.
Still not going to read it myself though 
I'd probably only misinterpret it anyway.
But you can't trust MPs. ANY of them. So who's going to be honest with us about it in terms we can understand? Certainly not the media.
Not that it makes much difference unless they give us a vote on it. This deal or no deal. I'm not ready to abandon democracy and accept having remain in such a vote. That's history.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | Gove is a devious conniving little shit.
Brexiteer but staying in May's cabinet.
I wonder what the smarmy little dog turd is up to.
(and no, it's not just Diane I despise in politics) |
It's all beside the point. What is in this draft deal? What does it actually mean? That's all I want to know right now. The future of the country is more important than the careers of a bunch of conniving, self-interested twats in Parliament.
Still not going to read it myself though
I'd probably only misinterpret it anyway.
But you can't trust MPs. ANY of them. So who's going to be honest with us about it in terms we can understand? Certainly not the media.
Not that it makes much difference unless they give us a vote on it. This deal or no deal. I'm not ready to abandon democracy and accept having remain in such a vote. That's history. |
I've read parts of it and as far as I can see it offers no guarantee at all that the EU will have to keep their side of the deal.
Everything seems to be us having to do X and the EU maybe deciding to do Y, but with no firm guarantee. They have a choice, we don't.
This theme seems to be common all the way through. Our side is fixed, their side is flexible and non binding.
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The trouble is, no one is not partisan, self included.
But yeah, those are my suspicions. I still don't trust the EU.
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| Polarbear wrote: | If that deal gets through parliament we have been sold down the river even more than having a 'peoples vote'. |
So you have read and understood it?
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| Polarbear wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
So you have read and understood it? |
No, I lost the will to read after about a dozen pages and relied on a synopsis of the contentious issues. |
A synopsis by who? Linky?
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Well, I've read a few analyses now.
I understand that it would make sense not to dump everything cold immediately. My concern is that after the transitional period, the EU would remain completely inflexible, and we'd then be stuck with this as permanently binding. Which unfortunately I think would be the case, going on their past performance. I have no reason to believe otherwise. It is not nearly satisfactory as a permanent agreement.
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It does seem like the EU have us by the balls for as long as they want (maybe that was the plan). |
No, they don't. Not yet. We still have the no deal option. Judging by EU intransigence, I assume they would be quite happy with that too, and in fact appear to be angling to get that as the result.
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Sorry. Diggs' cynicism must have rubbed off on me
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | M.C wrote: |
It does seem like the EU have us by the balls for as long as they want (maybe that was the plan). |
No, they don't. Not yet. We still have the no deal option. Judging by EU intransigence, I assume they would be quite happy with that too, and in fact appear to be angling to get that as the result. |
Unfortunately, it''s the politicians who have a majority interest in staying part of the EU project who can make this decision, not the electorate.
We don't get this choice. They do.
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| M.C wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
Unfortunately, it''s the politicians who have a majority interest in staying part of the EU project who can make this decision, not the electorate.
We don't get this choice. They do. |
It sounds like you want a 'people's vote'  |
I want the government to action the referendum like they promised.
"Leave the EU" won, the government promised to action the decision.
Lets leave the EU then, rather than sorting out a "deal" which sees us sort of staying still in and sort of still under their control, rules, regulations etc but re-branding it as "brexit".
The choice was "Remain" or "Leave", there was no partial option.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | Well, I've read a few analyses now.
I understand that it would make sense not to dump everything cold immediately. My concern is that after the transitional period, the EU would remain completely inflexible, and we'd then be stuck with this as permanently binding. Which unfortunately I think would be the case, going on their past performance. I have no reason to believe otherwise. It is not nearly satisfactory as a permanent agreement. |
Someone on the TV last night was making exactly the same point I've been making.
Remainers hate the deal. Why? Because with the deal, we would be out of the EU on March 29th., and they would have lost.
If they can bad-mouth the deal and make it so that it's not acceptable, it's more likely that the fear factor will be such that we won't leave the EU at all on March 29th.
So, that's why there've been howls from Remainersof "Argh it keeps us close to the UE therefore it;'s rubbish and we must not have it".
Obvious if you care to think about it. Why would they say that, when they want to keep us not just close, but in? Why bad mouth the thing at all? Ah, you say, it's so that Leavers will be scared and won't go for it.
Then the Remainers are likely to keep us in.
So, when you hear someone saying "It's very bad, they are most likely to be a Remainer (although they could be a Leaver who's taken their propaganda to heart). |
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). You must be reading it differently from myself then, the EU would rather we stayed, and carrying on contributing to the EU project, failing that a deal that's Brexit in name only suits them.
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