Planning a new PC build...

[The Artist]

Here are the specs of the main components.

Inwin 707 case
750 Corsair hybrid modular PSU
Asus Z170-K Mobo
2x 8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000mhz
i5-6600K
250gb Samsung SSD
4tb HDD
GTX-960 2gb

Looking at M.2 SATA SSD's, why would I use M.2 when SATA III is 6gb/s but the SSD itself is only ~500mb/s r/w?

I have no idea on the graphics cards but that GTX-960 seems like a good card for the money.

I basically want to be able to play 99% of games with no major problems and have it last a few years. I am planning on OC'ing the CPU hence the K version and other higher spec. components.

Any suggestions?

[Fin]

4tb hard drive

That computer will be good and easily last a few years being able to play every game, most on high settings and resolution.

[RhynoCZ]

You don't really need 16GB of Ram. Anyway, the specs would do more than just fine for a couple of years. I would be tempted to get a GFX card with more graphics memory. Not enough graphics memory is what sets me back every single time. The first GPU I had in my Q6600 'BEAST' was a 512mb HD4850 (great GPU for the money), then the games got more demanding, so I had to go to a 1GB HD6790 and now 1GB of graphics memory is just not enough again.

Mind you the CPU, MB and RAM are 9 years old, still doing ''fine'' in 95% of games today. Just finished GTA 5 on it (30fps, low settings = not enough video memory for highers settings) and I'm playing Fallout 4 (medium settings, 1080p, 40+fps). I am kind of tempted to buy a GFX card with more graphics memory, but on the other hand I kind of know the Q6600 with DDR2 ram would be bottlenecking the new GPU.

SATA II/III, read/write... now, the problem with these numbers is, the manufacturers are not regulated by any laws and/or standards so they tell you the numbers that look the best on the paper. They for instance give you the R/W speeds at very special conditions, of very specific data, which is something you'll never achive in real life. There was a video on youbook explaining what numbers matter and what do not.

TL; DR: I predict the videogame industry will soon, if not already, demand more than 2GB of graphics memory. I might be wrong, but I was right when I said, 9 years ago, that videogames will use more than 2 cores of a processor and today I can still play the latest games on the Q6600. On the other hand, people who got a slightely faster dual-core for the same money the Q6600 was (775 socket) can't even install many games, because of the minimual system requirements for those particular games (Far Cry, for instance).
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[CaNsA]

spunk for this

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-4096mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-37d-sp.html

[The Artist]

[Jayy]

[RhynoCZ]

The video about SSDs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzHp_IBbYYY

Speed of the RAM does not matter IF you don't run a APU. APU = CPU+GPU in one chip. When I say it does not matter, I'm talking about normal everyday use. If you'll run a benchmark and other tests, faster ram will give you better score, but no noticeable benefit in gaming and/or office work. Or at least I've never experienced any in RAM speed difference.

When talking about RAM speed you want to know the frequency (MHz) and CAS latency (CL). I don't know what's cool today, but back in the DDR2 days the goal was to aim for the lowest latency possible. I'd say any mid-range DDR4 RAM would be sufficient, if used with a dedicated GPU.
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[colink98]

Toms hardware "best for the money"
they spend far too much time and effort boffing about over pc kit so we don't have too.

Are the new Ge-force Cards not getting a look in ?
the GTX 960 does not seem to get a mention.

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-gpus,review-33382.html#p2
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[trevoriv]

If it's for gaming I'd spend another £50 on a GTX 970 or VR I'd stretch to a 1060 maybe? Even my 4gb 970 can't max out project cars.
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[jackw72]

Yeah. I think the RAM is a little over the top here. I would definitely go higher on the GPU over 16gb of 3000mhz rams.

8gig of ddr4 2400 will be enough I think. Save you 30 quids which you can put towards gpu upgrade.

Either way it will eventually be not good enough. Bastard industry.
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[orac]

I would keep the 16GB of ram and invest in a copy of some ram disk software. bare in mind power outage will mean that everything on the ram disk will be lost - this is true of any power cycle but correct power down mean the data is copied back to non volatile memory. I am also planning a new build (but I need some money first), I will be using a ram drive for scratch files during things photo editing, with theoretical read/write in excess of 6Gb/s it should speed things along nicely

If software keeps going to way it going an increasing amount of RAM is going to needed, a bit future proofing never did any harm.
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[RhynoCZ]

[The Artist]

[CaNsA]

[orac]

so 6Gb/s isn't powerful enough? fast SSD is 500Mb/s (0.5Gb/s), that a theoretical 12 slower than a ram disc - the question is if you got the ram (m.2 is about 6 times slower), why wouldn't you

if its going to be a proper work horse, I would be inclined to double to ram and use at least 16gig as a ram disk. providing you can mitigate the risk of sudden power loss installing software on there that needs to be ultra fast is a no brainer.

is gaming going to the only "work" that its going to do?
I would also think about using several smaller drives instead so that not everything is lost in the rare case of an HDD failure.

FYI I am still old school with 8GB of DDR2, 20 tabs of porn is easy peasy, even for the laptop that is running just 3GB and a Celeron 2840. by the time 10+ raw images from the camera in photoshop and light room running, about a dozen tabs in edge running, a few instances of explorer running, programme editor, zerene stacker and excel spread sheet or 2 is running 8GB runs out faster than you can imagine. then things get moved to scratch files on whatever drive you have chosen to have them one in each programme - this is when things start to get laggy. When I built this rig a 2gig scratch on a ram disc was fine, until files sizes increased and software became more RAM hungry, this rig is nearly 10 years old and still performs plenty well enough, even by comparison to new off the shelf rigs.

you can always upgrade in the future, build the rig, test some free software and see how you get on. its not something that I would just dismiss, specially when it speeds thing up really quite nicely
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[chris-red]

RE the Sata thing M.2 is only worth it is

A. It is proper M.2 socket using PCI-e lanes (some are just a sata conenction)
B. You get a NVMe SSD.

I got the Samsung 950 Pro when I did my rebuild, compared to my SATA 3 Corsair it was 4/5 times faster.

IIRC the read rate was 2.5gbps
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[Jayy]

GPU depends on your screen and what you like gaming at resolution wise.

If you only have a 1080p screen, a nice 4gb card would keep you going for some time. If you're connected to a 4K monitor or TV, you're going to need a high end GPU to play games at a respectable frame rate.

Talking 980ti / 1070 / 1080

[The Artist]

[dydey90]

[RhynoCZ]

[Jayy]

If you don't own a 4K screen right now, you'd be adding on £800 to £1,000 just to have the privilege.

£400 odd for a 1070 brand new or sub £300 for a 2nd hand 980ti.
£400+ for a good 4K monitor. Sure you can buy the cheaper 4K screens, or even TV's but if you're going for that level of detail anyway, you'd want something nice with a decent Hz and good colour reproduction.

You can always upgrade later but I don't suspect most people will want to go up to 4K unless you're a HD / UHD snob like me, obsessed with detail

[The Artist]

[colink98]

if it helps towards the build.
im currently rolling out new HP workstations and the first thing i do is replace the Ram and HDs.

so i have some spare 4GB DDR4 2133 and i can give you as many as your board will take.

i also have some new WD 1TB Blues, again happy to send you a couple if it helps.
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