Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Speed Watch on our Motorways next.

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> Biking News & Rumours
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

MCN
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 07:22 - 09 Sep 2016    Post subject: Speed Watch on our Motorways next. Reply with quote

https://www.petrolprices.com/variable-speed-limits-enforcement-action-way/
____________________
Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

G
The Voice of Reason



Joined: 02 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 07:52 - 09 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Speed Watch on our Motorways next. Reply with quote

A lot of the motorways in England have this already - the cancer started on the M25 and has spread!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

MCN
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:05 - 09 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen the traffic management things on the gantries M6-ish near London and the speed warning signs that are associated with them but never heard of anyone getting done by them.

Management of traffic flow is OK but revenue generation is not fair when the folk who manage flow are too lazy or there are too few to manage them. How many times are the overheads still showing 50 limits long after the incident has passed/been cleared?
____________________
Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

G
The Voice of Reason



Joined: 02 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:21 - 09 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plenty of people have been getting done for a long time, sadly.

Including getting a ticket for over 70 when there's no variable speed limit if revenue is lo many kittens could be killed.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

grr666
Super Spammer



Joined: 16 Jun 2014
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:11 - 09 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real reason they've 'Smarted' the motorways is £££ per mile when they start charging to use them. The variable
speed limit function is just a small part of the full system. ANPR + speed cameras + CCTV + dot matrix signage don't
pay for themselves. Toll roads are widespread everywhere else in Europe and beyond for that matter. It's not an 'if' it's a 'when'.
They've just found a way to wring out £££ per mile rather than one off fees to use section of road. I'm certain there
will be different rates for different classes of vehicle too. Those of us with small vans already stump up over £13 just
to cross the Severn bridge, so it's not a giant leap to assume a 100 mile journey will cost £50 quid a time.
Non motorway routes will be chocka as haulage firms try to avoid charges as I suspect they will be rinsed the worst by this.
____________________
Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
Ste wrote: Avatars are fine, it's signatures that need turning off. Thumbs Up
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Wonko The Sane
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Jan 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:28 - 09 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
The real reason they've 'Smarted' the motorways is £££ per mile when they start charging to use them. The variable
speed limit function is just a small part of the full system. ANPR + speed cameras + CCTV + dot matrix signage don't
pay for themselves. Toll roads are widespread everywhere else in Europe and beyond for that matter. It's not an 'if' it's a 'when'.
They've just found a way to wring out £££ per mile rather than one off fees to use section of road. I'm certain there
will be different rates for different classes of vehicle too. Those of us with small vans already stump up over £13 just
to cross the Severn bridge, so it's not a giant leap to assume a 100 mile journey will cost £50 quid a time.
Non motorway routes will be chocka as haulage firms try to avoid charges as I suspect they will be rinsed the worst by this.


unfortunately I think you may well be right,

my route to work should be 19 miles out of 22 on motorways, I use about 5 mile of motorway as it's more pleasant to skirt the edge of a third town centre than to motorway all the way. This route will be a nightmare if hauliers are using it.

and before anyone suggests putting freight back on the railways and having a maximum distance frieght can travel by road or some other half cocked idea I heard in the pub last night, pretty much every town has a large supermarket / retail park built on the goods handling area the railways sold off years ago!
____________________
Looking to pass your CBT / Bike tests in Bury Lancashire? try www.focusridertraining.co.uk Would recommend.
They're also on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Focus-Rider-Training/196832923734251
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Sable
World Chat Champion



Joined: 27 Jul 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:45 - 10 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I loathe toll roads, that long toll road in Ireland running South to North is empty and although dull, gloriously low on traffic.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

talkToTheHat
World Chat Champion



Joined: 21 Feb 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:51 - 10 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Variable speed limits camera enforcement and are all over the M1, M62 and M42. This is news because it's finally made it to wales? It is, however, utterly joyous to have to deal with panic braking to 10mph below the speed limit at every overhead gantry.
____________________
Bandit. does. everything.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

blowpipe
L Plate Warrior



Joined: 03 Sep 2016
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:32 - 10 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any views on the temporary M3 average speed cameras in the current roadworks? Stuck in the car in solid traffic having a good mooch at the equipment I reckon they're deterrent only.

Concrete blocks supporting the yellow poles with dummy cameras is my theory, as there seems to be no cabllng or otherwise linked.

I've been brave and ramped my speed up on the bike to 60 -70 where safe, no tickets so far...
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

talkToTheHat
World Chat Champion



Joined: 21 Feb 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:03 - 10 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

is that speed measured on your speedo or satnav? Mine is so optimistic it's not funny, 90 on the clocks is 75 and probably not going to get a ticket. Similarly it's quite easy to tell who has a satnav in an average speed zone. Tomtom riders win for having an average speed tracker.
____________________
Bandit. does. everything.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

G
The Voice of Reason



Joined: 02 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:47 - 10 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they front or rear facing?

Seen plenty of people think they'll get away with it and not with average sped check in cars.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

SophR so good
Trackday Trickster



Joined: 08 Aug 2016
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:14 - 10 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

@blowpipe

I can't say for the M3 specifically, but I went on a naughty speeding person course from average speed roadwork cams on the M6 last year.
____________________
You win again, gravity! - Zap Brannigan, BCF BBQ 2016
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

blowpipe
L Plate Warrior



Joined: 03 Sep 2016
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:43 - 10 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Are they front or rear facing?

Seen plenty of people think they'll get away with it and not with average sped check in cars.


That's the thing that first caught my attention. From the M25 southbound they have a couple of front facing, thereafter rear facing. Doesn't make sense. It would seem it's an amateur mish-mash.

I really think they're relying on deterrence setting the speed, which is probably a good thing if busy. But if not, in a clear motorway some gimp sitting at 45mph in lane 3 really winds me up.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

G
The Voice of Reason



Joined: 02 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 06:59 - 11 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds to me like they want to get driver's faces (just makes it more clear cut for the 'who was driving' question), but also want to get motorcycles.

Wouldn't risk it in the slightest myself - so it'd be interesting to see if you do get anything if you keep doing it regularly.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

bamt
World Chat Champion



Joined: 14 Dec 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:58 - 11 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not heard of anyone getting done, and there was this FOI request to Surrey Police who refused to give an answer as
Quote:

It is in the public interest to ensure that the roads are kept safe. Not all camera sites will be active all of the time - some sites will be active on a rotational basis or may not be in operation due to maintenance or technical problems. Release of this type of information could allow motorists to deduce whether there is a high or low risk of being caught speeding at a particular site. This would diminish the ability of the safety camera technology to impact on road safety at a site where road works present a particular hazard. For camera enforcement to have the maximum deterrent effect (resulting in lower speeds and reduced risk) then there must be the perception that the chances of being recorded speeding are high.


I remember when (static) speed cameras first started to be used on motorway roadworks. One in particular that I went through often - around Knutsford - had a sign updated every week saying how many had been caught. This was in the thousands, and probably a far better deterrent than keeping quiet (at least once you've been through once and seen the sign, no good for first-timers who were used to charging through roadworks at 80 with impunity).

Interestingly, Surrey Police do say in that response that they will release the figures when the roadworks finish. Will that response be a "Ha, Ha, fooled you!"?

I am looking forward to them finishing if only to widen the lanes again to make filtering easier.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

SuperMike
Scooby Slapper



Joined: 30 Sep 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:43 - 11 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Are they front or rear facing?

Seen plenty of people think they'll get away with it and not with average sped check in cars.


I did a run down to the South West and back today from London and went through the average speed camera section on the M3. I noted that the vast majority of them were forward facing - i.e. camera pointed towards you as you drive. Got me thinking I wonder if I can just get away with hooning down here at 100mph laughing at all the motorists and their front facing registration plates. Then I ran into two that were rear facing and it made me think better of my plan.

On the way back into London it seemed to be the other way around in that the cameras seemed to be rear facing mostly. Don't know if they are switched on or not. There were a few cars that just didn't seem to get the concept. I was going along at 55ish and then they came flying past only to slam on the brakes when they saw the yellow cameras, speed up again and then slam on the brakes at the next one. Muppets.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 9 years, 147 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> Biking News & Rumours All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.13 Sec - Server Load: 1.05 - MySQL Queries: 14 - Page Size: 92.39 Kb