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chupacabra
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Best anti-theft motorcycle devices Reply with quote

Hi, I’m planning to buy a bigger bike soon, but I’m not sure if I will be able to afford theft insurance so at least I want to get some proper anti theft devices.
I did some research and I’m considering the following stuff:
- Chain
- Alarmed Disc Lock (Xena)
- Data Tag
- Datatool Trakking
1. Can anyone advice which tools are mostly recommended, which are worth buying and combining together (all of them?) and which ones is better to avoid? Any particular recommendations?
2. Is there anything like an alarmed chain or alarmed padlock for a chain that will go off if someone tries to fiddle with it (like start moving it)?
3. Also; which brands are good quality and which ones are not?
4. Does anyone knows if the SV650s are popular among thieves?
5. If the bike cost around £2000; how much should I spend on security devices (10%)?

The bike is going to be SV650s and it will be parked outside on the street in the motorcycle bay in central London.


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PostPosted: 21:36 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Best anti-theft motorcycle devices Reply with quote

chupacabra wrote:
it will be parked outside on the street in the motorcycle bay in central London.



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PostPosted: 22:00 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Best anti-theft motorcycle devices Reply with quote

Don't waste your money on anything Oxford branded, pikeys can gnaw through them.

A 16mm or ideally 19mm Almax or Pragmasis chain with a Squire (or Abloy) padlock is as good as you're getting. But if it's not anchored to something secure then three pikeys in a van will have it away if they want it.

No harm in putting a Data Tag sticker on it. Actually getting it data-tagged, well if you're not going to insure against theft then it does make a bit of sense.

I reckon a cover would offer better value for money though. Pikey rules are, if they can see it, it's theirs.

Best of luck.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll ask you a question.

If you hear a alarm. What do you do?

The answer to that, will tell you if fitting one is worth it or not...

Most people on hearing a alarm simply roll their eyes and carry on Shocked

Alarms are easy to defeat.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paint it all bright pink, nobody will ever touch that, 100% guaranteed. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 22:17 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go on Youtube and type in 'motorcycle theft' and you'll have an idea as to what security measures can be rendered useless in a matter of minutes, sometimes seconds. You'll also have an idea as to what can be gotten away with in broad daylight on a busy street.
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Best anti-theft motorcycle devices Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Don't waste your money on anything Oxford branded, pikeys can gnaw through them.

A 16mm or ideally 19mm Almax or Pragmasis chain with a Squire (or Abloy) padlock is as good as you're getting. But if it's not anchored to something secure then three pikeys in a van will have it away if they want it.

No harm in putting a Data Tag sticker on it. Actually getting it data-tagged, well if you're not going to insure against theft then it does make a bit of sense.

I reckon a cover would offer better value for money though. Pikey rules are, if they can see it, it's theirs.

Best of luck.

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PostPosted: 23:29 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a xena xx10. Possibly the worst purchase I've made in the last few years.

It is a stupid design. It cleverly auto-arms when on the disc, but the detection plate has to be spotless. Quite difficult to keep it spotless when the manual asks for the lock barrel to be oiled on a regular basis.

But my main issue is the design. Once armed, it will beep loudly if you nudge it, or put the key on it. And if you don't get the key home, turned and the lock off the disc within 2 seconds it will go off. And it's fucking loud.

So out of the 10 days I had it, the 120dB went off 3 days in a row in a public car park and on some occasions when it rained and no-one was near it.

I ripped the alarm out in a rage and smashed it. Which was dumb. I should have sent it back but can't now.

I still use it as a disc lock, but that's not the point.

Once armed, it should detect a knock or key insert, then wait 4 seconds, if another nudge is detected or the key still in contact (ie anything metal), then it should beep advising that you have a further 3 seconds before letting hell escape.
With an alarm based on 5 nudges in 15mins or something too.

Something this sensitive is completely pointless as it goes off all the time and you either wont use it, or everyone ignores it.
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PostPosted: 06:12 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sold on a biketrac, a colleage stood his bike up off of the side stand without the key in the ignition and set it off, the company couldn't contact him so phoned me (I'm his second contact on his account), and I spoke to him in minutes.

Way better than an alarm IMO.
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an awesome one - I sold my bike to someone else and now it's their problem, hasn't been stolen once.

Man I miss my bike.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Central London? The best chain and lock you can afford with the bike chained through the frame to a lamp post and a cover over it.

Personally if I was in central London I would have my Fazer hack that is pink and white rattle can with Penelope Pitstop stickers on it. As desirable as aids but I Wub it.

Forget an expensive bike, in the end it will probably go.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you really have a pink Fazer? Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Paint it all bright pink, nobody will ever touch that, 100% guaranteed. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 13:09 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Forget an expensive bike, in the end it will probably go.


What would be considered an expensive bike?
Is £2000 bike expensive?

Also, has anyone used Datatool Trakking?
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chupacabra wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
Forget an expensive bike, in the end it will probably go.

What would be considered an expensive bike?
Is £2000 bike expensive?

It's cheap enough to not be a target for steal-to-order export to Albania.

But an SV650 is common enough to be profitably broken up and parted out. Or it might just be had away by rude boys for shits and giggles.

There's no guaranteed safe bike, if that's what you're asking. Having the the best secured, least appealing bike in the area is the best you can do.


chupacabra wrote:
Also, has anyone used Datatool Trakking?

The only tracker I'd consider is BikeTrac.

I probably wouldn't bother for a £2000 bike, unless it's easy enough to move to another bike later (you'd have to ask them).
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
Do you really have a pink Fazer? Laughing


My wife used it as a track bike, honest Embarassed
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

It's cheap enough to not be a target for steal-to-order export to Albania.

But an SV650 is common enough to be profitably broken up and parted out. Or it might just be had away by rude boys for shits and giggles.

There's no guaranteed safe bike, if that's what you're asking. Having the the best secured, least appealing bike in the area is the best you can do.


chupacabra wrote:
Also, has anyone used Datatool Trakking?

The only tracker I'd consider is BikeTrac.

I probably wouldn't bother for a £2000 bike, unless it's easy enough to move to another bike later (you'd have to ask them).


Yeah, that's what I'm worried about and I'm actually considering to get a bike like CB500 or GS500 instead, which are half of the SV price, so if it's gone, it would be easier to bite the bullet, especially without the theft insurance.

And I will need to do some research about the BikeTrac. Thanks for the information, including the chains
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good few years ago a friend had a Suzuki Volusia in London. He kept it chained and covered and it had an immobiliser and alarm fitted.

He had no trouble for about a year, but then took it to a bike shop for a service and tyres (If I remember the story correctly).

Within a week his bike was stolen from outside his house at night. He is convinced the bike shop was in on it and 'cloned' his alarm fob so it wouldn't go off.

There is nothing except conjecture to say that is what happened but he did give his address and alarm fob to the bike shop.

Just something to think about.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thick chain through frame (not wheels, they come off in seconds) and around a lamp post, and a cover. No see-ey no stealy.

And the gay looking bike is a good idea unless Justin Bieber or Michael Barrymore are on the rob.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

under_rated wrote:
And the gay looking bike is a good idea unless Michael Barrymore is on the rob.


You're more like to find him with his hands around the exhaust while it's in a puddle
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to accept that a decent bike in a central London bike bay WILL get trashed to some extent. So think about buying a scruffy pre-scratched SV. (Don't buy the GS or CB, life's too short for shite bikes.)

Budget for lots of big mushrooms and a tank cover and engine bars. When car drivers and scooter cunts knock your bike over, replace the indicators, levers etc with used ones from a breaker.

If you buy a nice shiny SV, take off the nice bits and fit cheapo scratched ones from a breaker before you go near the bike bay. Put the nice bits back on when you sell the bike.

If lots of the expensive parts are scruffy, professional thieves will almost certainly ignore the bike because there's not enough profit to be made. They'll steal something else. In central London there's plenty of more valuable bikes to choose from.

You still need to discourage the opportunist thieves and joyriders, so get a serious chain which can't be beaten with portable tools. A top of the range Almax with a good lock is expensive, but it should last you for decades.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A left hand kickstart has proven highly effective in the past.

Keeping it in the house also works well.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Syrian refugee with a baseball bat chained to the bike would probably work.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
Syrian refugee with a baseball bat chained to the bike would probably work.


Ah ha, that's why Vincent has his pet Syrian. Sun
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Park next to a shinier and less well secured bike. Carry the biggest lock and chain you can in a tailpack or similar. Possibly have an even bigger chain in use at home. Don't leave your chain secured to your regular parking bay. A drop of superglue and you have no security.

An alarm will only work if you can hear it, and an immobilizer wont protect against the bike being pushed away. I have a cheap alarm to keep the curious children and cats off of the bike, to tell me if it has blown over in the wind, and to alert me to the attack of the jealous postman.

I'm considering building a garage.
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