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Posted: 15:16 - 29 Nov 2017 Post subject: |
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There is a small possibility they *might* be aiming this at Hipsters...
Z900RS Studio Video, with added Hipster
I SO thought he was going to have a grey beard and wrinkles by the end of the vid. All he needed was a portable record player playing through some enormous headphones, and a lumberjack shirt hanging on the back of the door and my computer would have melted down due to the hipster levels being dangerously high. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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It looks ok, but some indefinable something is putting me off ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Ugh no. It's a widely known thing in design circles that angles date, and curves don't date. That'll be why the non RS version of the Z900 will look properly dated in ten years time, whereas this will still look good. |
I dunno, I quite like the look of some bikes like the Z1000J - usually when they've been fairly heavily modified though. There is a chunkiness to them that can be quite impressive imo. But it's just that. It's all just that. Opinions.
I think, as mentioned by someone else above, it's the side-panel, and frame tubes in that area that don't quite get it for me. It makes it look as though the bodywork is just sat on the bike, rather than an integral part of the styling. But usually I don't find the side view the best of most bikes, so I might like it more in the flesh. It's not bad, seen far worse. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I would have liked them to put twin shocks on it. I'm sure with todays engineering they could have done it without the sea sickness inducing wallowing the ZRX was capable of. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Polarbear wrote: | I would have liked them to put twin shocks on it. I'm sure with todays engineering they could have done it without the sea sickness inducing wallowing the ZRX was capable of. |
Thing is, if I had the money to do the Z650 project I've always wanted to do, I'd be mono shock-ing it. I wouldn't want to compromise handling for the sake of the looks. So no, I think they were right to make it mono shock. Thing is, they have already done retro on the early Z theme with the Zephyr series, and they were twin shock.
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It must be a work of art, if Wilde was right:
"Diversity of opinion about a work of art shows that the work is new, complex, and vital. When critics disagree, the artist is in accord with himself."
Dunno about "new" though. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I'm definitely not taken by the pointy and jumbled linear aesthetics of contemporary bikes - but the retro thing is becoming too influential. It's compromising what has always made motorbikes so compelling: Continuous development. Down the decades the main impetus was about competition between manufacturers, and how that process fed through to development, not just in small-run homologated machines, but in mass-produced bikes. That relentless refinement was positive and exciting.
In some ways, the retro trend is nothing more than manufacturers supplying an ageing market niche with its demands - but there's something shit about this backward-looking nostalgia when it gains such prominence.
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Agreed!
I get what Trevor daft name was saying. But your bubble is burst!
We had 4 decades of competition between manufacturers, and the arms race at all costs to the top of each class. It had to implode one day just by the costs incurred alone. The stockmarket, global downturn about 8-9years ago and the state of the exchange rate between the Yen and Euro, and pound did its bit too.
Your right in saying that manufacturers are doing more retro and old school brought up to date bikes (often at less cost than full on space age halo bikes) to cater for a very real aging bike riding population. That's just fact, and also the power of the grey or nostalgic pound is massively higher than the commuter on a budget pound, or the inquisitive young newbie pound.
You cant blame the manufacturers for tapping into the biggest market. Sure they will always offer some new and modern angular crap loaded with electronics to appeal to the geeks, the adventure bikers, and those that just want the latest thing, like would be Ducati V4 Panigale buyers.
Building cheap knock down price commuters in China killed the revenue in the small bike market, and now the Chinq bikes are either disappearing or just costing a grand more to be complient, so are the buyers.
But There's no longing by young people to own a bike, and if they did feel that way, the licensing hurdles and costs stop them dead. Then there's the Governments, and the Safety legislators wanting bikes off the road too. They aint really cool now as you can't operate your smart phone properly while riding a bike etc.
Then there's racing and the manufacturers own development paths forced by it, or driven purely by making a bike that's good for the WSB grid with a few bits taken off or bolted on. This line of thinking killed off useful real world sports bikes, and drove the nails into the coffin of the 600cc sports bike class.
Companies like BMW bringing out WSB ready bikes for the road with over 200bhp also helped switch off buyers interest, as firstly the market has changed away from sports bikes to nakeds and adventures, and hipster cool machinery.
But secondly 200bhp+ bikes with hard suspension and cramped riding positions couldn't be any less useful or relevant to todays roads. Congestion is the first reason, and roads getting poorer and in more of a state is the other. Also all big bikes are fast and more than enough for the roads, they were in 1990 with 120-130bhp. 200bhp hasn't made bikes any faster or more useful pulling out of busy junctions while trying to avoid school mum in her 2ton 4x4, or for doing speeds that are vaguely legal or unlikey to get your license taken away.
The thing that's shit is not the profitable backwards looking nostalgia, but the lack of any future or growth in the bike market and a lack of huge interest and desire by the young to want to get into bikes.
It's the same but to a lesser extent for cars now too. There's always the new must have the latest thing people out there, but personal transport is getting more expensive to get into, and isn't really a status thing or a must have for many. That's why white goods tick the box new cars sell so well, and its relevant to bikes too. As people want the electronics DCT's and connectivity, but they don't want to put any effort in to becoming a good rider, and they probably couldn't care less how many Ohlins fully adjustable dials are on the forks and shocks in comparison.
Imagine giving a new rider a brand new scalpel bike like an RGV 250 today. It's twitchy, fussy, smelly and needs loads of attention. Its also shit to ride unless your concentration is high and your on it. They would just say 'Nahh this bike is shit bruv'. |
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Polarbear wrote: | trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: |
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In some ways, the retro trend is nothing more than manufacturers supplying an ageing market niche with its demands - but there's something shit about this backward-looking nostalgia when it gains such prominence.
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Culminating in the sportsbike revolution in reality. Since it seems the road bike development has pretty much stalled except for electronic gizmos and eurobollox kitten killing emission improvements
I doubt we will ever see anything like the 80's, 90's and 00's again where a new bike came out that was an actual improvement rather than a facelift. |
Good points, those.
I don't so much have a problem with the reverse engineering because in a lot of ways, the bikes that are being produced these days are far in excess of what can be used realistically on the road anyway. But I can't help but think there's been a cheapening of, umm, everything - every component is just now what will do, rather than anything special. Look at the work that went into something like the RC30 - single sided swing arm and low wheel weight etc. Nothing we're going to get in this current market environment will move anything on and it seems 220kg is now an acceptable weight with 200kg being considered good.
At the same time, and this is the double kicker, the pricing is going off the chart. I get it, it's the world in which we live and everything is getting more expensive - but it does feel like we're paying a hellish premium for brand / styling rather than any usable engineering advantage from what we had 10 years ago. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 119 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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