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FZ-8 is too powerful to restrict for A2. Actually, an FZ-6 is as well.
Sure, MT-07, EF6N, SFV650, all good.
You could walk into a Suzuki dealer today and offer them £5K for the new naked SV650 with an 35kW restrictor. Heck, ask to finance it at 0%, and some extras as well, it looks like it's not been the massive sales success they desperately needed it to be.
In before bawwwing about not buying new, you'd get 3 years warranty, and no MOT for 3 years. Buying new isn't always crazy.
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| JDK1996 wrote: | Cheers for the help! It's been much appreciated! I really like the look and sound of the Honda cb650! Has anyone had any experience with this bike? When it's been restricted? |
Well, yes, did my DAS on one. I'm not sure if it was restricted or not? Perhaps it must have been to allow me to ride it but not sure. The one I was on certainly had plenty of poke for a new rider at least.
As mentioned, I own the CBR 650F which is basically the faired version - same engine, same bike basically just with different panels and a bit more of an aggressive position. If I make some observations after a year of ownership.
PROS
Pretty cheap bike for what you get - paid 6.3k in the summer sale last year and that was with a few extras thrown in.
Plenty fast enough for your first big bike. It may be a few 10ths of a second slower than it's rivals, but that is kind of the Honda way - fireblade etc. It'll still scare the pants off you if you ring her neck.
Long service interval - year or 8000 miles.
Feels very nimble - loves to be thrown around the corners etc.
Good commuter and then good fun in a country lane. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Honda bullet proof reliability so far.
CONS
There are some odd vibrations still at 6000 miles. Seems quite common on these models.
The bike does feel a bit cheap in places - the instrument cluster is pretty basic and uninspiring, and some of the fairing has come a bit lose - nothing major but it has just moved a couple of mm's and now I am aware of it it is bugging me. This is where they are saving the costs over the 600RR I guess.
The engine can sometimes feel a bit boggy under hard acceleration, particularly in second. Noticeable lag in power delivery like it has chucked too much fuel at it.
If you are tall it feels a bit cramped. I'm 6'1 and on long motorway journeys I have to stop every 80 miles or so to stretch out my hamstrings. Quite a compact bike - definitely sit on one to get a feel.
All in all though, If it were this time last year and I was buying all over again, I would buy the 650. Have no regrets. More than enough power for the roads, and does the commute all day long without skipping a beat. For me it was the perfect step up from a 125 scooter into the big(ish) bikes arena. It doesn't feel like it is trying to kill you everytime you open the throttle, but the threat is there if you push it! |
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| SuperMike wrote: | | JDK1996 wrote: | Cheers for the help! It's been much appreciated! I really like the look and sound of the Honda cb650! Has anyone had any experience with this bike? When it's been restricted? |
Well, yes, did my DAS on one. I'm not sure if it was restricted or not? Perhaps it must have been to allow me to ride it but not sure. The one I was on certainly had plenty of poke for a new rider at least.
As mentioned, I own the CBR 650F which is basically the faired version - same engine, same bike basically just with different panels and a bit more of an aggressive position. If I make some observations after a year of ownership.
PROS
Pretty cheap bike for what you get - paid 6.3k in the summer sale last year and that was with a few extras thrown in.
Plenty fast enough for your first big bike. It may be a few 10ths of a second slower than it's rivals, but that is kind of the Honda way - fireblade etc. It'll still scare the pants off you if you ring her neck.
Long service interval - year or 8000 miles.
Feels very nimble - loves to be thrown around the corners etc.
Good commuter and then good fun in a country lane. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Honda bullet proof reliability so far.
CONS
There are some odd vibrations still at 6000 miles. Seems quite common on these models.
The bike does feel a bit cheap in places - the instrument cluster is pretty basic and uninspiring, and some of the fairing has come a bit lose - nothing major but it has just moved a couple of mm's and now I am aware of it it is bugging me. This is where they are saving the costs over the 600RR I guess.
The engine can sometimes feel a bit boggy under hard acceleration, particularly in second. Noticeable lag in power delivery like it has chucked too much fuel at it.
If you are tall it feels a bit cramped. I'm 6'1 and on long motorway journeys I have to stop every 80 miles or so to stretch out my hamstrings. Quite a compact bike - definitely sit on one to get a feel.
All in all though, If it were this time last year and I was buying all over again, I would buy the 650. Have no regrets. More than enough power for the roads, and does the commute all day long without skipping a beat. For me it was the perfect step up from a 125 scooter into the big(ish) bikes arena. It doesn't feel like it is trying to kill you everytime you open the throttle, but the threat is there if you push it! |
Cheers for the reply mate. So your bike isn't restricted then? |
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hmmm......depends what you want to use it for.
For a London commute, I'd be picking something like a CBR250, Ninja 250/300. Whichever was cheapest at the time. Why? They're still fast enough for a motorway, but very cheap to run (and buy) and I can't imagine there is a huge appetite for these bikes for thieving scum. In a sense it is a throwaway bike, that should reliably get me to work and back. Still can be fun as you've really got to give it some to keep up.
If this is a weekend bike, maybe the odd commute when the whether is good, then I'd be looking at a doroduro 750. For something a little less flashy I'd want a member of the MT family
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I've come well away from the supermotos style! Not feeling them anymore, so is there anything else you could think off? |
Why? I lust after these things  When the current shape ones come down closer to 2k I'm getting one.
| el_oso wrote: | hmmm......depends what you want to use it for.
For a London commute, I'd be picking something like a CBR250, Ninja 250/300. Whichever was cheapest at the time. Why? They're still fast enough for a motorway, but very cheap to run (and buy) and I can't imagine there is a huge appetite for these bikes for thieving scum. In a sense it is a throwaway bike, that should reliably get me to work and back. Still can be fun as you've really got to give it some to keep up.
If this is a weekend bike, maybe the odd commute when the whether is good, then I'd be looking at a doroduro 750. For something a little less flashy I'd want a member of the MT family |
That Dorsoduro  I can see the small tank being an issue though. I'd agree with a ninja 250 if its cheap, wouldn't want to spend too much over a grand as the resale values aren't strong (at all).
If you want a supermoto type bike that looks like a naked then maybe consider the MT-03 (the old 660cc model I've got). Its on the 47bhp limit so doesn't need restricting, and £1500-1800 will get you a good one. It's a flawed but fun bike, not really a good choice if you want a practical commuter though (although that's what I use mine for). |
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| M.C wrote: | | JDK1996 wrote: |
I've come well away from the supermotos style! Not feeling them anymore, so is there anything else you could think off? |
Why? I lust after these things When the current shape ones come down closer to 2k I'm getting one.
| el_oso wrote: | hmmm......depends what you want to use it for.
For a London commute, I'd be picking something like a CBR250, Ninja 250/300. Whichever was cheapest at the time. Why? They're still fast enough for a motorway, but very cheap to run (and buy) and I can't imagine there is a huge appetite for these bikes for thieving scum. In a sense it is a throwaway bike, that should reliably get me to work and back. Still can be fun as you've really got to give it some to keep up.
If this is a weekend bike, maybe the odd commute when the whether is good, then I'd be looking at a doroduro 750. For something a little less flashy I'd want a member of the MT family |
That Dorsoduro I can see the small tank being an issue though. I'd agree with a ninja 250 if its cheap, wouldn't want to spend too much over a grand as the resale values aren't strong (at all).
If you want a supermoto type bike that looks like a naked then maybe consider the MT-03 (the old 660cc model I've got). Its on the 47bhp limit so doesn't need restricting, and £1500-1800 will get you a good one. It's a flawed but fun bike, not really a good choice if you want a practical commuter though (although that's what I use mine for). |
Which supermotos bikes would you recommend? I've been looking at the KTM SMC R 690, but well out of my price range! What else is there to look for? And I don't really want to buy a bike that's on the a2 limit because when I do my test in 2 years, I just want to be able to take the restricter off? |
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I know you're thinking ahead but maybe too far ahead. Nothing to stop you changing bikes in a year or 2 in preparation for your A tests. However have a look at this: https://www.dft.gov.uk/motorcycle-test-vehicle-list/ Not a complete list but gives you an idea, the A* bikes won't be eligible come 2018 iirc (which will probably affect you).
Supermoto's are bad purchases, expensive and impractical. Also bad for long journeys with small tanks. I'd still go for a duke 690 (good for your A tests), or an MT-07. A 200kg+ bike with 47bhp isn't my idea of fun that's all |
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| M.C wrote: | I know you're thinking ahead but maybe too far ahead. Nothing to stop you changing bikes in a year or 2 in preparation for your A tests. However have a look at this: https://www.dft.gov.uk/motorcycle-test-vehicle-list/ Not a complete list but gives you an idea, the A* bikes won't be eligible come 2018 iirc (which will probably affect you).
Supermoto's are bad purchases, expensive and impractical. Also bad for long journeys with small tanks. I'd still go for a duke 690 (good for your A tests), or an MT-07. A 200kg+ bike with 47bhp isn't my idea of fun that's all |
I want to avoid having to change bikes after 2 years, to save money! I don't see the need in buying a smaller bike to then swap after 2 years when you can get a bigger one and restrict it. Then once ready for full test just restrict it down, correct me if I'm wrong? |
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