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| arry wrote: | How did you get registered on a KTM? |
Was going on the 1968 Vespa, but it didn't want to start this morning so had no choice.
Also lots of modern so called classic's there, which doesn't really make sense, in my book, it's either vintage or it's not. As the judge said in the Lord Brockenhurst trial ( the man who cut up a Maserati birdcage replica and tried to claim it as the real thing from the insurance), 'a turkey dressed up in a sailors suit, is still a turkey.
To a passer by, how much different is the ktm in looks to a Ducati monster (painted trellis frame, with engine beneath and alloy wheels) and there were lots of them there, as well as retro Chinese bikes and we all know how good they are.
Also apologies to all about the typo, spellchecker on the iPhone has a lot to answer for
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| Alawson68 wrote: | | arry wrote: | How did you get registered on a KTM? |
Was going on the 1968 Vespa, but it didn't want to start this morning so had no choice.
Also lots of modern so called classic's there, which doesn't really make sense, in my book, it's either vintage or it's not. As the judge said in the Lord Brockenhurst trial ( the man who cut up a Maserati birdcage replica and tried to claim it as the real thing from the insurance), 'a turkey dressed up in a sailors suit, is still a turkey.
To a passer by, how much different is the ktm in looks to a Ducati monster (painted trellis frame, with engine beneath and alloy wheels) and there were lots of them there, as well as retro Chinese bikes and we all know how good they are.
Also apologies to all about the typo, spellchecker on the iPhone has a lot to answer for |
Might just register for next year and turn up on my KTM. It looks like a, err, something classic. If you squint. |
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Also note this interesting thread:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=315707
The Distinguished Gentlemens Ride is just another marketing event. It supports 3 or 4 brands, particularly Zenith Watches (someone's enterprise to revive a redundant Swiss name) and a helmet branding company.
I believe they also have some connection with the Bike Shed cafe in Shoreditch, as the ride seems to use that as a convening point. The Bike Shed, as you will recall, is no stranger to the use of unethical advertising strategies. They bought literally hundreds of thousands of Facebook 'likes' for themselves before they even opened, and first tried to declare themselves the 'Bike Shed MC', then 'Bike Shed MCC', then finally dropped the idea to become the 'Bike Shed'. This Distinguished Gentlemens Ride is just another fake attempt to establish brand awareness by astroturfing. Using 'charity' as an excuse is extremely lame. We all know why people go on these rides. They're bored, that's fine.
Bennetts, which is also shy about revealing its involvement in the 'biker' groups it runs on social media, proves the link between the Bike Shed and DGR:
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/archive/2014/september/the-distinguished-gentlemans-ride-top-tips
Gentlemen? Someone direct them to the toilets.
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The DGR never started as a charity. Fund raising was a later addition.
It originally started as a quirky ride out, then a quirky ride out that was meant to be well behaved and show non bikers that bikers were not all scary thugs as the Daily Mail depicts. All wrapped nicely in a marketing event in Australia first I believe. It came to the UK along with the London marketing machine of Bike Shed. As it got bigger, fund raising came in for Movember and later mens mental health.
I also donned my braces and dressed like a chap to do the DGR in London. Not hard, I have straddled the hipster line for years.
Saw 12 heralds there. They get about a bit.
As to modern classics styled vs actual classics, I direct to above. The ride started out as a fun and quirky ride out. Classic styled works on fun ride outs.
Obligatory hipster picture attached.
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| Sable wrote: | The DGR never started as a charity. Fund raising was a later addition.
It originally started as a quirky ride out, then a quirky ride out that was meant to be well behaved and show non bikers that bikers were not all scary thugs as the Daily Mail depicts. All wrapped nicely in a marketing event in Australia first I believe. It came to the UK along with the London marketing machine of Bike Shed. As it got bigger, fund raising came in for Movember and later mens mental health.
I also donned my braces and dressed like a chap to do the DGR in London. Not hard, I have straddled the hipster line for years.
Saw 12 heralds there. They get about a bit.
As to modern classics styled vs actual classics, I direct to above. The ride started out as a fun and quirky ride out. Classic styled works on fun ride outs.
Obligatory hipster picture attached.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5558/29841964061_e266956885_b.jpg |
Well done sir for attending.
Back to the point, im sure we're all under no illusions, that we live in a capitalist society and we all need to make money.
However three and a half million dollars went to cancer charities today, all thanks to motorcyclists. If we're worried about companies colluding together, then we'd never watch another movie, all of them are financed in some way or other by product placement
As for marketing of products, market research tells us that most of these people would have brought these products anyway.
Don't get me wrong, all for a modern classic myself, but it's hardly the same as riding a machine that's older than its rider & where in every trip, there is no guarantee that you're going to reach your destination without getting your hands dirty. Pretty much all of my motorcycle mechanic knowledge has been gained at the side of the road.
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However three and a half million dollars went to cancer charities today, all thanks to motorcyclists. |
For the reasons already given, even if this is what has happened, this is a false and hypocritical claim to virtue, and money thrown at cancer charities isn't an absolute good in itself. On the one hand you're saying this is modern capitalism and we should live with it, and on the other that cancer, a side-effect of modern capitalism and modern life, is bad, and throwing money at it is good. To 'cure' cancer all we have to do is stop life in the modern world. But that's absurd! Of course nobody wants to go and live in the trees. Everyone knows that. Cancer doesn't figure into the debate at all except as a hypocrite's tactic to stifle criticism of these companies offering you a fake 'experience'. That's what the DGR is selling you - the experience of feeling like you're something you're not - a knight, a gentleman, a member of the landed gentry, a titled aristocrat, Jesus himself, even.
The truth is, today you helped directly or indirectly to line the pockets of drug companies' shareholders (which are mostly banks), did some unpaid work to advertise some unethical businesses for free, and helped pay fat cat charity bosses' salaries and pensions.
And that's fine with me! Your choice entirely. Just don't expect to represent this as a stance of virtuous moral superiority, just because you were bored on a Sunday afternoon in autumn.
Don't you want to know what I did today? I wasted the morning, then went for a great ride in the afternoon, on my favourite roads, on a bike I have spent some time and effort nursing to health, in a 'spirited' way. I wore armoured leathers, to be safe in case of accident. You're saying your actions today are worth 3.5 million dollars, and others' are worth less. How can that be so?
| Quote: | If we're worried about companies colluding together, then we'd never watch another movie, all of them are financed in some way or other by product placement
As for marketing of products, market research tells us that most of these people would have brought these products anyway. |
I doubt this, and even if it were true, the companies that invest in such events don't believe it. Triumph, some watch branding company, a helmet and fashion company, etc. are all trying to build their brand with their involvement in this event. If they thought it didn't work, they wouldn't do it.
What they're doing is calculated. They are taking something that once existed in a true form, a real grassroots community of motorcycle enthusiasts including classic motorcycle fans, and taking it out of our control. They do this easily, because people abandoned it by themselves. Then, they are selling it back to us, laden heavily with BS. With their help, you can buy your way to being a gentleman, a hardcore 'biker', someone with a military or public school background.. anything. This is distasteful.
Believe it or not, people used to go on rides and meets without corporate sponsorship, advertising, or weak claims to virtue. But that is becoming more and more difficult because of the legislation for which these companies are lobbying.
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Well I think its lovely.
All those chaps, all that tweed.
Pleasant and polite, saying please and thank you.
Nothing like the other sort.
Drinking and fighting and hellraising.
*tuts*
I was out early this morning (for a change) and I did think there more DG types on the road than usual. I thought it was just cos I was up early 
Not fussed whether its for charity or not, its just nice to see all different types of people on bikes.
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It's a great idea, just ruined by the piggybacking on charity. Do people really to feel holier than thou to ride their bikes?
Just have a ride out, you can all go naked if you want, I don't care.
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