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PostPosted: 14:43 - 18 Oct 2016    Post subject: Got asked to do a job today..... Reply with quote

A good customer who I service her boat engine and do odd jobs for phoned me up today asking if I would run a 12v ring main with 4 sockets on around her boat.

Now the job is no problem. What is the problem is that all the wiring is hidden behind very beautifully made hardwood panels that will have to come down to run the wires. These have never been off since the boat was built.

Now I'm no chippy and there are no obvious screws holding the panels on so I'm wondering how they are attached. If I bugger up just one panel I will be well out of pocket for the job. Any chippys with an idea on what I can look for other than screws? Sorry, no pictures.

I'm thinking I might pass on this one but don't want to piss off a good customer.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 18 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking as a tradesman myself, if the client gets offended when you say "sorry, that's beyond my field of expertise and I don't want to damage your property" then it's not someone I'd want to work for.

As to the initial question, are the seams to the paneling very tight? I'd hazard a guess that it's a combination of glue and hidden nailing if there are regular seams that look smoothed off and are still holding well. I saw something similar years back on an old coal boat that had been refurbished in the late sixties and turned into a livable space. Even after a couple of decades it looked tidy, christ knows what it looked like behind there though Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 18 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

hidden nails,
working with tounge and groove thats been secured like that can be a ball ache,
in soft pine its not too bad, normally you'd start at the right hand side and gently lever the first board up working down the length of the timber(which would have been the last one placed)
once the first board is off you'll see the hidden nails on the tongue, hammered in toward the left

but. aged wood being very dry is also very hard and very brittle and liable to cracking,
its not the end of the world if you crack the tongue,
but it some times has a tendancy if the grain is on an angle to slit the main part of the board as well

tell her this, and that you are willing to try, but it would probably be better if she got a cabinet maker/ship builder/carpenter to look at it.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 18 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe get a chippy to remove the boards and then you do electrical work then they replace boards?
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 18 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Got asked to do a job today..... Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
A good customer who I service her boat engine


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PostPosted: 18:46 - 18 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure you've come to right place for advice on antique wood removal and refitting. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 18 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If she thinks anyone can remove the panels, she'll have no problem doing it herself before you do the wiring.
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 19 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is exactly what people paid me 100 quid an hour to do whilst I was in the UK, expect to pay twice that if you manage to find a company rather than a one man business.

Unfortunately I'm now a bloody long way from the UK. I don't know anybody personally who still does this kind of work there - my contacts have mostly retired or moved on. Best bet is to ask around the swanky marinas for a boatbuilder who specializes in repairing interior trim (I'm surprised you don't know any marine tradesmen round your way who would know where to find such a bloke).
There aren't many around that I'd trust without seeing their work AND make damn sure it's someone who knows their way around boats - a cabinet maker may well have a nightmare delving into panelwork that they aren't familiar with and cause some serious headaches.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 19 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:34 - 19 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
This is exactly what people paid me 100 quid an hour to do whilst I was in the UK, expect to pay twice that if you manage to find a company rather than a one man business.

Unfortunately I'm now a bloody long way from the UK. I don't know anybody personally who still does this kind of work there - my contacts have mostly retired or moved on. Best bet is to ask around the swanky marinas for a boatbuilder who specializes in repairing interior trim (I'm surprised you don't know any marine tradesmen round your way who would know where to find such a bloke).
There aren't many around that I'd trust without seeing their work AND make damn sure it's someone who knows their way around boats - a cabinet maker may well have a nightmare delving into panelwork that they aren't familiar with and cause some serious headaches.


I know a few chippys that are fine with most stuff but I have no idea how good they would be with this panelling so I'm loath to recommend anyone as it will come back on me if they fuck up. If it was my boat I'd just wade straight in but it isn't Laughing

The trouble with canal boat live aboards is they want everything cheap and quick with no disruption. I much prefer working for owners who don't live on their boat, you can get on with the work without them peering over your shoulder and asking questions every five minutes.
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